Quote from: Nikolas on July 16, 2007, 10:28:24 PM
Twice the price?  The 883 is less than the Honda 750s (which are still carbed!), Suzuki m/c/s50s, and vulcan 900s and the 1200 is only 200 more than the Honda 1100s.

You're comparing trash to trash to more trash.

-b.

Quote from: makenzie71 on July 16, 2007, 10:35:50 PM
haha I love it when I hear a GS rider talk shaZam! about the inferior tech of a Harley motorcycle.  Current bikes are current tech...hell, 1989 model Harley's are 10 years ahead of the current flock of GS500's.  I'd also really love to see a GS hang with even an 883 Sportster with either highway pegs or rearsets and good rubber.

Harleys:

Pushrods?  Check.
Frame geometry straight out of the 40s?  Check.

If people like them: fine, but not MY thing!

-b.

Quote from: bosozoku on July 17, 2007, 03:46:48 AM
Harleys:

Pushrods?  Check.
Frame geometry straight out of the 40s?  Check.

You know they had chain driven cams in the 40's, right?  my bike has pushrods and it ran 10 miles yesterday at 14k...when was the last time yours did anything at 14,000rpm?

Some of the bikes are built to resemble the classic road bikes from decades ago...guess what: if Honda or suzuki or yamaha would put together a bike that looks just like their 70's era machines I'd be drooling all over them.  Some of Harley's bikes are as aggressively stanced as a modern supersport.

Quote from: makenzie71 on July 17, 2007, 08:28:58 AM
Some of Harley's bikes are as aggressively stanced as a modern supersport.

Sure.  Buells   I actually like Buells other than the fact that they have engines that fell off of Noah's Ark...

-b.

buy a harley but keep your gs.
that's what i did!

sportster? BAWRF!

do NOT buy a hardly ableson.

i have good reasons for this, not justill will to harley.

1) harleys do in fact require alot of care and maintenance. its the opposite of a GS in this regard, you will hate it.

2) compare the price to similarly equipped comaparable models from suzuki and honda. the harley is about twice the price at least. there is not a thing better about the harley to justify the higher price, just a worthless hd logo. and in fact, many things about the sportster make it worth LESS.

3) if your looking at a sportster, you seem to want a powerful cruiser. take a look at these two models

Suzuki M109R. awesome bike, if you dont like the headlight, wait for the 08 C109R. itll be the same bike, but with a conventional headlight.

Honda VTX1300, or better yet VTX 1800  now there are some powerful cruisers that look bery nice, and...they are hondas.

i work the parts counter of a suzuki / honda dealership. i know what breaks and what doesnt. for what you want to spend, get the suzuki and youll thank yourself for not getting the harley for years...


...get the honda and youll thank yourself for not getting the harley for DECADES.

Suzuki M109R, again, if you dont like the headlight (i do) wait for the 08 C109R. same bike but regular headlight.


VTX1800 (note the VTX has a few variations to choose from. fenders/trim/wheels for whatever you like!

note that both of those are 1800's.  compared to HD's 1200. not much more expensive, and you get alot more for you buck.

Quote from: Chris24
sportster? BAWRF!

do NOT buy a hardly ableson.

i have good reasons for this, not justill will to harley.

Because you're a moron?

1) harleys do in fact require alot of care and maintenance. its the opposite of a GS in this regard, you will hate it.

~Bullshit.  My brother's '98 883 has never had to be wrenched beyond changing a battery.  The newest Harley's are almost ZERO maintenance machines...no valve checks or tuning or chain adjustments or anything...change the oil, put fuel in it, leave.

2) compare the price to similarly equipped comaparable models from suzuki and honda. the harley is about twice the price at least. there is not a thing better about the harley to justify the higher price, just a worthless hd logo. and in fact, many things about the sportster make it worth LESS.

~More bullshit.  Sure Harley has some bikes that are a bit more expensive, some are not.  Comparative models tend to be fairly comparatively priced.  I guess you also think badges on BMW's and Porsches arer the only reason they cost more than Cadillac's and Corvettes, too.

3) if your looking at a sportster, you seem to want a powerful cruiser. take a look at these two models

The Sportster was NEVER about being a powerful cruiser.  You need to go open a book or hit up Wikipedia or somoething...

On top of that, at least Harley is sticking to bikes that look good.  Japan, right now, is turning out the world's ugliest cars and bikes, including the 109R, and there's no sign that they'll recover from this trend.

AS for the hp and toque thing...despite being 600cc's larger the 109R still isn't as fast as the VRSC...probably has something to do with weighing 250lbs more.  Torque only makes up for so much, and Suzuki's 1800's don't touch the power delivery of HD's 1800's...much less the S&S plants...

Quote from: Chris24 on July 17, 2007, 11:57:04 AM
note that both of those are 1800's.  compared to HD's 1200. not much more expensive, and you get alot more for you buck.

I don't see the point of an 1800cc bike (bigger than some cars I've had!), especially one with less than 100hp.  Sounds like a machine built to convert fuel to noise, with minimal side effects of acceleration and speed...

-b.

I can get parts for any suzuki honda kawi yammy through any number of online vendors. ronayers, etc.

for harleys you cant, not that ive seen. they want to force you to the dealer to pay out the yang for parts.

try ordering say a fender from honda or suzuki, its gonna be at your dealer in 7 days. harley, your gonna wait 6 weeks for them to get it to you.

true some of the newer harleys are a bit more reliable. namely the ones that harley contracted porsche to design for them  american made my butt!

japanese motorcycle engineers
hardly engineers....
(unless they are actually porsche engineers  LOL

porsche has only touched the VRSC plant and only enough to refine it for street use...and the first run of V-Rods was anything but "reliable".  You're idea that Harley Davidsons aren't reliable is moronic...the only HD's that weren't reliable were made by AMF...NOT Harley Davidson...and pretty much everything AMF touched turned to shaZam!.

I have no problem getting new parts for any Harley, any year, either through the dealer, which takes tops two weeks, or one of about 11 billion aftermarket vendors.

Something tells me you've just read where a bunch of people talked shaZam! about the bikes and you just figured you'd jump on the band wagon with no actual knowledge or experience...

If i was to get a *Cruiser* , it would have to be a Truimph Rocket III ,

2300cc . and 0-60 in 2.7 seconds . Very Nice  also ive seen a few supercharging kits for it, so to get even more power outta the huge lump

Quote from: RVertigo on May 16, 2007, 12:04:39 PM
Go to dealers and sit on all the cruisers...  Comfort and fit are important...

Then think about the features you want...  Shaft, belt, or chain drive...  FI or Carb...  Disc brakes or drum...  Inverted forks...  Tach...  Etc.

THEN think about looks and brand.




Or you could do what 70% of the people out there do...  Buy one that looks cool and suffer through riding it.   

ha that's what i kinda did, I just went out and wanted a gixxer but couldn't afford it so i bought the next best thing

you know why they put so much chrome on the harleys...

...its so they can find the peices in the grass on the side of the highway when they fall off.

Quote from: makenzie71 on July 17, 2007, 12:33:49 PM

...and the first run of V-Rods was anything but "reliable". 

You're idea that Harley Davidsons aren't reliable is moronic...

Thanks for proving the point that you're an idiot.   So you like to take one example and stereotype an entire group from said example?

The first SV650's had a nasty habit of spinning bearings and dropping valves, thus all Suzuki's must be unreliable.
Mid and late 90's Ninjas like to lose second gear regardless of care, thus all Kawasakis must be unreliable.
CB900's like to lose oil pressure without warning and burn up the rings and cylinders, thus all Hondas are unreliable.
TZR's have a bad habit of needing to be rerbuilt every 20k or so, thus all Yamahas are unreliable.
Desmo valves can go out tremendously out of whack if not checked, so Ducatis are unreliable, too.
Everytime Cagiva gets it right they go bankrupt 6 weeks later.
...since I  have better things to do than keep adding to the list you should just go ahead and mark every manufacturer down as "unreliable" and start walking everywhhere.

Wow.

I like cruisers.

I like submarines, beer, and fluffy clouds too.

There, I didn't even flame anyone OR get my panties in a wad.

Why do we have to tard every single thread??  I can understand the political/ religious threads getting tarded up and will actively participate in doing so.    This guy just wanted a few opinions for getting his next bike, instead it's turned into a Buddha Loves You-fest    Ohgood is right this forum is going downhill

Quote from: spcterry on July 17, 2007, 03:25:31 PM
Why do we have to tard every single thread??  I can understand the political/ religious threads getting tarded up and will actively participate in doing so.    This guy just wanted a few opinions for getting his next bike, instead it's turned into a Buddha Loves You-fest    Ohgood is right this forum is going downhill :cry

Yeah and you taking the moment to make that post in THIS thread really improved things.  If you have such a problem with the forum, stop coming.  Simple as that.