Hi all :lol: ,

I like to kick off with this question if i may.

What has more power,a gs with dynojet kit stage 2,with
k&n air filter,and after exhaust..Or would  a stage3 kit be better..

Or a stock suzuki bandit 600...........


                   cheers

i believe a bandit will have more power..

If thats the case,what else can be done to give the gs more power.

And how much more power would a stock suzuki bandit600 ,
have over the modify gs...


                             Cheers

The bandit has 78 HP, a stock Suzuki something like 42. Maybe you can add 8 HP by jetting it right and using a better exhaust. So you're never going to pass the bandit  

I remember reading somewhere one of the racers stated he got 65hp out of his highly modified and lightened GS. The GS and the Bandit are two differnet beasts with different agenda's.  Bandit is a handful, a fun handful though.

Remember you're talking about a heavier bike...  I'd like to get a bandit 1200 for my next bike, but I heard it a real heavy bike though.  Not sure how heavy....I guess I need to check into that

:shock: DUCATI 620ie SUPERSPORT

DAMN, it's nice

My next bike after I sell my Kawa

Keeping the GS though

JUST FYI,

Dave :nana:

Don't forget that the bandit is also a 4 cyl bike. Not that it means much by itself but obviously does in this case....

Quote from: suzukimadIf thats the case,what else can be done to give the gs more power.

And how much more power would a stock suzuki bandit600 ,
have over the modify gs...


                             Cheers

I didn't think the Bandit had 78HP, I thought it was in the upper 60's but regardless....  A trucked out GS might make 42 or 43 HP.  For someone learning or someone looking for a bike to toss around town 42 isn;t as bad as it sounds.  The GS is light so it is nimble and easy to ride.

A higher HP bike like even a bandit and SV650 requires more respect.  I accidently did a one handed stand up wheelie  :shock:  and almost crashed while adjusting my crotch while going about 10mph on an SV.  My GSXR600 requires mucho respect and a GSXR1000 requires brass balls (yes I easily yanked a wheelie going 90mph    ).  More power = more respect.  Bob Brussard will tell ya the same, he has some high HP horses in his barn.  The GS is a darned fun bike to ride -not nearly as fast as a bandit but much easier to throw around.

GS500 first, then the GSXR/SV/bandit/ZX6R later  Who agrees with me???

The bandit is definitely a faster bike.  I think both bikes handle about the same in any given situation traction wise.  I have raced both bikes so both were modified.  The weight of the bandit is definitely a hindrance at high speeds and track lean angles.  I have had the frame on the B6 drag where the sidestand attaches (similar to the GS500 - framewise) and the B6 had a racing shock and 1.0 springs in the forks.  Maybe a more adjustable shock was in order but I got tired of having to overcome GSXR750s (oil-coolers) in the corners since the B6 would just get mauled in a straight line.  I still have the GS500 that started my racing career and it handles extremely well for just Race Tech fork work and a Works shock.

I rode both on the street a little before transforming them into race bikes and the B6 is a more comfortable ride, mainly due to the windscreen and the weight smoothed out the freeway ride.  There is an excellent site for the bandit at www.maximum-suzuki.com so if you want more (biased) info on the bandit go there.  I'm still "wallpaper" in the bandit section outside the forums   .  I used to also ride a 1200 and it was fun but once I became a track instructor I had to get something a little better handling to help out the experts.  If you live around slower curvy areas, lots of city driving, and not much freeway riding - go with the GS.  If you do long, straight cruises and bring a passenger along - B6 is the one.

Oh and the GS has about 38hp stock and the B6 about 67hp around here.

:nana: Since everyone is somewhat confused, here are the actually specs,

GS500-----------39.2hp
Bandit 600------72.9hp
Bandit 1200----101.8hp
GSXR600-------100.5hp
GSXR750-------123.0hp
Ninja 500R-----50.2hp
Ninja ZX-6R----95.2hp

There :mrgreen:
Dave

I was looking at a british magazine on friday at borders and on it says that the GS500 is a commuter bike with 51BHP..

okay granted the us bikes are jetted leaner.. but can there be that much of a diff?

Edit: by the way according to cycle world or whatever that magazine is (the one that did a GS500 review that was favorable) they had it at 42.5HP

I looked at both these bikes when I bought my GS and they have a very different feel.  The bandit is a good deal larger, more powerful, a little more aggressive seating, heavier, and has decent wind protection (at least in the us, they only sell the 600S with quarter fairing).  In comparison the GS feels considerably smaller, more upright, narrower, and lighter.

The bandit is a lot more stable on the highway, but lacks the quick and light feel of the GS in the city and around the twisty roads.  The motor is much stronger, but take more revs to feel strong coming out of a curve.  Its less well suited for smaller or beginning riders but fits taller people like me better.  The bandit is also a good bit more expensive, especially used and somewhat more complicated for maintenance and repairs.

Which one is better?  To me they are both good bikes with different priorities.  I like my GS for its tossability, easy maintenance and repair, and cheap used prices.  It fits my city and twisty riding better than the bandit, but I could see going the other way if long rides and highways were more in the mix.

Quote from: The_good_guyI was looking at a british magazine on friday at borders and on it says that the GS500 is a commuter bike with 51BHP..

okay granted the us bikes are jetted leaner.. but can there be that much of a diff?

Edit: by the way according to cycle world or whatever that magazine is (the one that did a GS500 review that was favorable) they had it at 42.5HP

HP and BHP are measured at different places. Someone out there can probably explain this in better detail (I'm far from an engineer), but I believe BHP is measured at the flywheel before drivetrain losses and HP is measured at the rear wheel. That may explain your 9 HP discrepancy.

Yep the Brits and other european bike rags measure HP at the crank/flywheel just as described.  So that's why you see 2 HP ratings tossed out one from manufacturers/brit rags and one from American bike rags that measure on a dynomometer at the rear wheel.

I prefer rear wheel but it really doesn't matter as long as you compare apples to apples.

The power of a particular motor is usualy measured at the crank shaft, since it could be coupled to any sort of power train that may absorb more or less power.  It is defined as the power that need to be aplied to the crank to stall the engine at a given revs.

Brake horsepower is specific to a complete machine, i.e. engine plus transmission.  It is defined as the power that need to be applied to stall the machine, and again specific to a given revs.  It the eeasier of the two to measure.

Since the transmission always absorbs some power, BHP is always less than crank shaft HP.  Shaft drive is more 'lossy' than chain drive.

Yeah the B6 is much more of a bike, but it is also much more expensive, both to buy and to maintain.
Here's an idea:
You can buy a new '02 GS-500 for under $5K, much less for  earlier version show room queens. You'll be lucky to find a new B6 for much less than $6,000.
A B6 has a 4 cylinder engine, which means four spark plugs vs. 2.
Twice as many carbs to rejet and change air filters on.
Gets (roughly) half the gas mileage.
The bandit is about a hundred pounds heavier with all the handling and tire wear issues that brings.
And tires are slightly more expensive too.
Bandit "S" models have the half fairing that is expensive to repair if you fall down.

Just something to keep in mind!
James

Ok :lol: with all the pro`s and con`s the gs comes
out tops  :nana: ....

My next point  :mrgreen: ,what about the 400 bandit.

has that got more power them the gs    

Also if it has???    

can it do a modified gs500         ...


             cheers

uh uh.

Its a pretty cool bike. The semi-trellis frame is groovie. But IMHO it has all of the drawbacks of the B6 (4 cyl. engine) with none of the advantages (power & squidablility).
It is about the same weight/size as a GS so its as manuverable, and makes a bit more power, BUT they have been long out of production and are fairly uncommon and parts can be hard to find (GSers keep stealing thier front ends and rear wheels ).

is this bandit 400 too much for a beginner?