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Please pay attention to this. Now's the time to vote if you don't already. Please check the following links for important information concerning your rights as a motorcycle rider.

This bill is scheduled to go in front of the Florida House of Representatives for consideration:

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sectio...7&Session=2008

The long ang the short of it is any motorcyclist (specifically motorcyclist) who is charged for speeding >30mph over, or reckless driving, on the first offense, is subject to seizure and forfeiture of their motorcycle, permanent revocation of their motorcycle endorsement, and imprisonment.

Contact your representative here:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Welcome/index.cfm

I can not stress to you how important it is that this law not be passed. Please do all you can to ensure this bill does not happen. Please pass this message along on myspace and any motorcycle forums you happen to belong to.


PLEASE POST THIS AS WELL!!!!

Why?  Do you want to the freedom to be reckless?  It should apply to cagers as well, though.

Not sure this is a GS500 related topic anyway.  It's not so easy to be reckless and drive >30 mph over the limit on my GS. 

BH

I agree with BassHz, you deserve to lose your bike if you're that dumb.  You could hurt yourself and others very easily at normal speeds much less 30 over.

It should only be passed if a similar law is passed for cagers.  That Porsche Cayenne going 130 down the interstate is 100 times as dangerous as a bike.  If the legislature is willing to pass a general law of that nature for all vehicles I say 'Hell yeah'

But, until that time it's a poorly informed and bigoted decision based of a poor view of all motorcycle riders.

Dead links. I tried the 'search' but it sucked. Gave up.

As far as my opinion about reckless riding, it sucks. The wife tells me about some lame squid 3-4 times weekly. This is usually while she and my son are in the car going wherever. Yes, I'd like to kick some of them in the balls. Others are just out having fun. There is a difference. We all know this. So do the cops.

I've seen cops shake their finger at me for making noise, riding a little too fast, etc. I don't temp them, they leave me alone.

Now, if I were caught in a 2 mile wheelie on the Gandy (bridge, dragstrip, depends on the time of day) by a U-LEO, I'd EXPECT my license gone and bike impounded. Stupid gets what stupid does.

2 cents

there are many states which such laws. maine for example has "criminal" speeding which is anything 35 over the posted limit. penalties vary but losing your vehicle is one of them

Quote from: Sinthetic on October 04, 2007, 02:25:33 PM
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Please pay attention to this. Now's the time to vote if you don't already. Please check the following links for important information concerning your rights as a motorcycle rider.
The long ang the short of it is any motorcyclist (specifically motorcyclist) who is charged for speeding >30mph over, or reckless driving, on the first offense, is subject to seizure and forfeiture of their motorcycle, permanent revocation of their motorcycle endorsement, and imprisonment.
I can not stress to you how important it is that this law not be passed. Please do all you can to ensure this bill does not happen. Please pass this message along on myspace and any motorcycle forums you happen to belong to.

Well now we have identified a squid among us   A plea to make a law fight racers on the roads of FL...
Why should it be fought?, as far as I am concerned, it should be supported by the motorcyclist communities.

Texas has a over 23MPH = reckless endangerment, > 2x the speed ie: 120MPH in a 60MPH = spend time in jail auto, do not pass go, do not collect 200$. (grin)

people asking to fight it, are usually part of  the root cause of why laws are being created to fight "speedsters" on the road...If you like speed, be a man, take it to the track.. Oh no wait that would mean you would have to wear armor, helmet and other protection and actually have to deal with real riders on a close track. humm... go figure.


cheers flame away.

Quote from: BassHz on October 04, 2007, 05:35:43 PM
Why?  Do you want to the freedom to be reckless?  It should apply to cagers as well, though.

BH

+1  In Indiana, Tennessee, and several other states, the speed limit on the interstate is 70 mph.  In that case you would have to be traveling in excess of 100 mph.  In Indiana anything over 20mph is considered reckless driving, and you can be arrested.  I'm in favor of this 100%.  Think about it a school zone is 20 mph.  A rider would have to be over 50mph.  I don't want any idiot riding at that speed around my child on the way to school.  My neighborhood has a 30mph speed limit.  Anyone doing over 60 down my road would certainly piss me off.

There is NO need to go 30 mph over at ANY time.  Have I done it?  Unfortunately, yes.  But, if I had been caught, I would have accepted the consequences.  (I know that on the Cherohala last year, we were pushin' that envelope several times) 

I do, though, agree that this law should be carried over to autos.  Speeding motorcycles usually kill themselves.  Speeding SUV's?  That's a different story entirely!

Hold on there boys!!!...and any ladies deigning to join us. He's not a squid just because he doesn't want to see this legislation pass. Does anyone here really want to see someone lose there bike for any reason? WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR BIKE BEING HAULED OFF? As far as speeding goes...to each his own. IMHO speed is what a motorcycle is made for. I went riding after bike night last night and we didn't really spend much time below triple digits. Granted we kept it on highways, later at night, and everyone else was on a liter bike but in reality that is what I built my machine for. As for "being a man and keeping it on the track" one- that cost money. two- I know plenty of talented riders who simply WANT to take it to the streets. three- what if you live hours away from a track? Anyway I wouldn't ever wish that on someone. And NO ONE hear can say they've never done anything illegal on a bike! Lose the insubstantial soap boxes and relax, take it easy, and chill. Just my 2cents. Ride safe!Ride smart!Ride hard!

Yea.. I can see harsh penalties but in no way should they be able to take posession of your vehicle  Thats just plain sillly. What if you have a $30,000 bike... you loose it just for going 60 in a 35 No way!

30 miles over? 

i agree with both sides, both ideas i think should be adopted, wreckless operation of a VEHICLE should result in loss of posession. crashing on a bike kills you, crashing a 6000 lb car kills PEOPLE. just like drinking and driving, you end up creating a weapon out of your vehicle.

Frankly anywhere but the track, the speed limit is there for a reason. having just been in a suburban accident, if u were doing 55 in a 25 ur funkin retarded. u deserve to lose your bike. what if someone cuts you off ( like me) you would have splatted on the road or their car . instead of seeing it coming and having even a split second to react,  u wouldnt have even been able to flinch before you  hit the car.  lets face it, barring a track environment, there are sharp hard pointy objects all over and no earthly reason to excessively speed.

i enjoy going fast, but if ur doing it, get to a track or go out in the boonies where the cops are hillbillies and wont chase you anyway.

Quote from: elric8467 on October 05, 2007, 05:50:14 AM
WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR BIKE BEING HAULED OFF?

If it was my bike, it would be because I loaned it to some jerk who broke the law with it.

Quote from: elric8467 on October 05, 2007, 05:50:14 AM
As far as speeding goes...to each his own. IMHO speed is what a motorcycle is made for. I went riding after bike night last night and we didn't really spend much time below triple digits.
Granted we kept it on highways, later at night, and everyone else was on a liter bike but in reality that is what I built my machine for. As for "being a man and keeping it on the track" one- that cost money. two- I know plenty of talented riders who simply WANT to take it to the streets. three- what if you live hours away from a track?

I live four hours from the nearest track.  UHaul rents a motorcycle trailer for $15/day.

For those who WANT to race on the street.... man, I really WANT to kill some of my co-workers, but it's f'n illegal and wrong.  D'oh.

Quote from: pbureau69 on October 05, 2007, 04:12:49 AM

Quote from: Sinthetic on October 04, 2007, 02:25:33 PM
repost from myspace bulletin
Please pay attention to this. Now's the time to vote if you don't already. Please check the following links for important information concerning your rights as a motorcycle rider.
The long ang the short of it is any motorcyclist (specifically motorcyclist) who is charged for speeding >30mph over, or reckless driving, on the first offense, is subject to seizure and forfeiture of their motorcycle, permanent revocation of their motorcycle endorsement, and imprisonment.
I can not stress to you how important it is that this law not be passed. Please do all you can to ensure this bill does not happen. Please pass this message along on myspace and any motorcycle forums you happen to belong to.

Well now we have identified a squid among us   A plea to make a law fight racers on the roads of FL...
Why should it be fought?, as far as I am concerned, it should be supported by the motorcyclist communities.

Texas has a over 23MPH = reckless endangerment, > 2x the speed ie: 120MPH in a 60MPH = spend time in jail auto, do not pass go, do not collect 200$. (grin)

people asking to fight it, are usually part of  the root cause of why laws are being created to fight "speedsters" on the road...If you like speed, be a man, take it to the track.. Oh no wait that would mean you would have to wear armor, helmet and other protection and actually have to deal with real riders on a close track. humm... go figure.


cheers flame away.

you know i was just trying to be informative...im sorry your suck a fu*king loser that you cant appreciate that so now why dont you go outside and play hide and go fu*k yourself

to everyone else thanks for the info on your states..sorry the links gone.
have fun

i think the problem isn't the law itself it's that it's only valid for motorcycles, if you are going to make a law like this make it for every vehicle out there.

Quote from: CndnMax on October 06, 2007, 06:04:26 PM
i think the problem isn't the law itself it's that it's only valid for motorcycles, if you are going to make a law like this make it for every vehicle out there.

Word. Those douchebags who tailgate people at 70+ mph in their huge SUVs deserve this law more than anyone else. It would make a whole lot more sense if this law was directed towards these people in unnecessarily large vehicles.

Quote from: CndnMax on October 06, 2007, 06:04:26 PM
i think the problem isn't the law itself it's that it's only valid for motorcycles, if you are going to make a law like this make it for every vehicle out there.

Definitely.  While I don't know if you can lump "choice of transportation" in with other defining characteristics of protected classes (race, sex, age) I still would like to think this type of law would be struck down on 14th amendment grounds.

(Yeah, I had to look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause)

edit:

My point is, if people are really clamoring for a law against "those people" then make it apply to them as well, and make damn sure that justice is blind and equally applied.  Maybe when some politician gets their car impounded for doing 90 on the highway we'll see if the law sticks.

Quote from: ohgood on October 04, 2007, 07:01:51 PM
Dead links. I tried the 'search' but it sucked. Gave up.

As far as my opinion about reckless riding, it sucks. The wife tells me about some lame squid 3-4 times weekly. This is usually while she and my son are in the car going wherever. Yes, I'd like to kick some of them in the balls. Others are just out having fun. There is a difference. We all know this. So do the cops.

I've seen cops shake their finger at me for making noise, riding a little too fast, etc. I don't temp them, they leave me alone.

Now, if I were caught in a 2 mile wheelie on the Gandy (bridge, dragstrip, depends on the time of day) by a U-LEO, I'd EXPECT my license gone and bike impounded. Stupid gets what stupid does.

2 cents

oh i've seen the 2 mile wheelies over the gandy. that place gets broken up too easily though and i've seen too many bad wrecks from people being idiots. ah the memories. i've seen quite a few bikes racin over the bayside a lot more often now tho. new hotspot?

Quote from: elric8467 on October 05, 2007, 05:50:14 AM
Hold on there boys!!!...and any ladies deigning to join us. He's not a squid just because he doesn't want to see this legislation pass. Does anyone here really want to see someone lose there bike for any reason? WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR BIKE BEING HAULED OFF? As far as speeding goes...to each his own. IMHO speed is what a motorcycle is made for. I went riding after bike night last night and we didn't really spend much time below triple digits. Granted we kept it on highways, later at night, and everyone else was on a liter bike but in reality that is what I built my machine for. As for "being a man and keeping it on the track" one- that cost money. two- I know plenty of talented riders who simply WANT to take it to the streets. three- what if you live hours away from a track? Anyway I wouldn't ever wish that on someone. And NO ONE hear can say they've never done anything illegal on a bike! Lose the insubstantial soap boxes and relax, take it easy, and chill. Just my 2cents. Ride safe!Ride smart!Ride hard!

Ok, this is one of the most irresponsible posts I've read in a long while.     You're condoning breaking the law because tracks are inconvenient and pricey?  As for the "WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR BIKE"...if I knew the law, and I drove recklessly anyway, I would accept losing my bike because those are the consequences, and I took the unnecessary risk.

P.S.  I never said I didn't do anything illegal (read my above post).  It's just that, somewhere in the back of my mind, the adrenaline rush comes from knowing that if I get caught, I'm done.  I wouldn't want laws like that to be shot down, because that would be giving bike riders an out to be idiots.  Also, my quicker runs are nearly always on sparsely populated remote country roads, unlike the squids that go down the road in front of my house, in my urban neighborhood, where my daughter and many other children play, on one wheel at ridiculous speeds.  The limit on my road is 30mph btw.  Speed is what a motorcycle is made for?  Well, the Z28 is drag limited to about 160.  A Corvette can do 180+, a Porshe Cayenne can do nearly 170.  Those are vehicle designed to go fast, so by your logic, it should be OK to let them do just that on public roads.  Next time, think a little before you post such easily discredited prose.

in california:

wreckless driving = jail time

street racing = automatic impound of vehicle

nuff said.