Jserio 

Hit the nail on the head.

no, his logic is pretty focked. most musicians are nowhere near as wealthy as he describes... that is ludicrous wealth which very few ever attain. even the smallest popular artists are affected by filesharing of their music.

im saying this because one stayed in my home (friend of roommate) and her group is becoming popular. www.carolinachocolatedrops.com they are growing in popularity within their niche... they rely entirely on cd sales and tickets to their shows to survive. travelling constantly because they are lucky enough to have an audience, but not yet able to afford health insurance.

yea, id say they are far from the standards whatsisname described, but they know the filesharing affects them.

I still have limewire, just saying, it does affect people.

It really doesn't. The only artists who are affected by file sharing are those with enough popularity to be known country or world wide in which case they make a fortune. The sort of music you get on file sharing is hugly popular artists like Oasis, Kanye West. The big people who are easily making millions and millions each year and do own massive houses more than 15 million and lots of cars and live glamourous lifestyles. Plus how can they claim lost revenue when they can't prove you would buy an album anyway. As i see it, some people (has happened to me) will listen to an upcoming artists songs through file sharing networks and then go out and buy the CD. Others will listen to the music and not buy the CD. I don't know how people can claim that file sharing is so bad and artists will be losing revenue. Look at YouTube. You can listen to virtually any song on there from artists and watch the videos. They must effectively have lost my purchasing of that track through Napster or iTunes.

The only reason is record labels are whinging because theyre losing pennies to them. When i see a record label going out of buisness because of this then i will stop. But i think downloading a CD over the internet when i wouldn't even go out and buy it gives them a chance of getting a purchase of something out of me and there are much bigger things to worry about in the world than downloading a cd.

and if this was honestly that big of a deal, why would programs like limewire have their stuff put onto computers before you even purchase the computer?  if it's that big a deal why doesn't the RIAA go after the companies that produce these programs instead of lil peons like you and me? quite simply: the money. the RIAA knows it can't deal with another massive company legally. so they choose to bully around the lil guys who don't have the money to front for good lawyers.

has any other band besides metallica whined about file sharing?  even they've been quiet lately...  they went after napster, but that's it.

Quote from: nightrider on October 24, 2007, 02:54:32 PM
no, his logic is pretty focked. most musicians are nowhere near as wealthy as he describes... that is ludicrous wealth which very few ever attain. even the smallest popular artists are affected by filesharing of their music.

im saying this because one stayed in my home (friend of roommate) and her group is becoming popular. www.carolinachocolatedrops.com they are growing in popularity within their niche... they rely entirely on cd sales and tickets to their shows to survive. travelling constantly because they are lucky enough to have an audience, but not yet able to afford health insurance.

yea, id say they are far from the standards whatsisname described, but they know the filesharing affects them.

I still have limewire, just saying, it does affect people.

Studies have shown that peer to peer is a leveling effect on music sales.  It boosts indie music sales tremendously by getting exposure to small bands that no one has ever heard of and otherwise would never hear of because traditional media is bought and paid for by the RIAA and subsidiaries.  People discover new music through P2P and if they enjoy it enough, go to the artist's concerts when they're in town.  Do you realize how much more an artist makes on concert tickets than CD sales?  Particularly for artists on RIAA labels, they may only see 10 cents of an album's $15 price tag per sale.  This is why Radiohead's "In Rainbows" is going to change the way people think about selling music.  Now if I download an album from your roommate's friend's band, do you really think she's going to care?  If one out of every 10 people that listen to that ILLEGALLY DOWNLOADED album go to her concert because of it she'd be far better off.

Copying is not theft, and it's not even a bad thing for the majority of musicians.  By the way, I do plan to check out that group's music.  Thanks for the recommendation.

Quote from: kdogg84 on October 24, 2007, 09:58:13 PM
has any other band besides metallica whined about file sharing?  even they've been quiet lately...  they went after napster, but that's it.

exactly.  Of the bands that have spoken out about file sharing I've heard 10 in favor of it for every 1 against.  Many bands have embraced it and are now giving their music away!  See http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator - anyone else have any questions about whether musicians like or dislike sharing music online?

Seriously...this isn't even a debate anymore - this argument was settled years ago.  The RIAA just hasn't realized it yet.

All this is about is the artist are cutting the record companys out of the equation by going directly to the customer and they are pissed. Now the RC knows if it goes after the artist it will never sign another so go after the very people that made them rich to begin with.
The big bands that own there own recording lable are not able to sign as many new artist.The artist wants to keep more of what they earn instead of giving it away, so they start a myspace page or such and throw a few singles up on a P to P site. I have bought 15-20 CD this year ALL because I was able to check out the cd 1st. I will put it to you this way. Up intill file shairing started I probably bought 10 CD every 3 years. Just didn't get into music that much untill it became easy to get into it and hear a varitity. Now I buy way more than I want to, but that is fine with me if file sharing goes away then the RC and  my $ goodbuy.