why is it that when there is an issue with either the programing of my machine or the tooling or the materials the engineer wants to swear up and down that it's an operator issue instead of haveing the balls to admit that he possibly made a mistake? does having a degree give you a liscense to be a moron?

or an ass or better than everyone else, lol jserio been there dealt with that 

Hm... I'm going to defer that question to someone else...

I think it must be an ego thing... People with NO accountability... and if the world works out as it should, it will come back to them in folds.

Cheers,
J

Everything works in theory.   

I had a situation at work where I out-engineered the engineer. He was not to happy with me.

What really got him was when my company went with my solution instead of his. I wasn't edumicated enough for him to like that very much.

It's and ego thing. It's hard for them to spend all that money on the degree and not have all the answers.

PJ

Quote from: PuddleJumper on November 28, 2007, 01:44:01 PM
It's and ego thing. It's hard for them to spend all that money on the degree and not have all the answers.

yes, it must be hard...
people with a degree sometimes (not always) assume that all the money/time/efforts they spent on a degree gives them all possible keys to solve most, or all, problems. Unfortunately, it's not always so. On-the-field experience plays a major part in all that. Engineers, IMHO, have a more "cerebral" approach to things, which sometimes ends up to be more "complicated". Sometimes it pays, sometimes it doesn't.
Me being aware of this, what I always try to stick up to is "Simple things first".
And listen to seniors. And always try and learn new things - everyday.
My .02 .

BTW, don't hate us. We're human beings.



(Yes, I'm an engineer.  )
(And I still have to learn LOTS of things. )

i wasn't saying all engineers. just seems to me that the ME and others in the engineering department are always looking to pass blame or complicate things so intricately that at the end i doubt they even understand what the hell they just said. other  than that the ME is a fairly nice guy. 

 
Yeah, I know, I perfectly see your point from the beginning.

(your signature ---> LOL )

Damn Engineers....I mean....uhhhh

Hey Simon79, how is the job market over there in Italy for engineers, been looking to work overseas for a couple years and Italy is on the top of my list.

>coll0412:
Well...I'd say, from my personal point of view, that the job market over here is not so encouraging unless you're an Informatic or Economical Engineer, it's easier for them IT engineers to find a suitable job. IMHO.
Actually, there's a so-called "brain escape" from my country...Most jobs are underpaid, and many graduates (me included) end up doing jobs for which a degree is not necessary.
If I were you I'd look somewhere else...say Germany, UK, Spain, they all appear to me to be livelier places with a brighter future. And nice places, too.

Wish I had graduated earlier (partly my fault, though), I had the guts to flee or simply I'd been born somewhere else. Damn.
Sorry for ranting.

The ranting is good as it helps me learn what is really like and not just stuff I read on the internet

Number 2 on the list is Spain, I am just finishing up my Masters in Mechanical Engineer and am try to figure what I want to do and where I want to work.