Just thought I would share this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21116732/
I was doing a bit of candidate researching, and thought this was a really cool overview chart of the candidates on both sides.

i am a liberal i believe in universal health care, a balanced budget and reducing the national dept.  i do not support imperialism, religious nuts,  guns, the death penalty or sending people to jail for speeding.  this country is nuts

frankie, this country is far from perfect. but i must say our system is better than many.  and i must ask, what is this national dept you speak of?? 

Quote from: jserio on October 12, 2007, 08:33:27 PM
and i must ask, what is this national dept you speak of?? 

Walmart 

heh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country

The budget is over a trillion dollars. Our national debt is in the hundreds of billions.  The USA needs to increase taxes and reduce spending. Especially in defense

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 14, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
heh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country

Gee, it's nice to see that you're open-minded.  What a ridiculous statement.  Hopefully it was intended as humor. 

Quote from: yamahonkawazukiheh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country

You wouldn't support this?

http://www.liberalparty.org/JFKLPAcceptance.html

I'm not a US citizen and I'm certainly not married to any one political party in my own country, but I'd definitely support that.

Im not a fan of any party..Anybody who makes thier mind up before they hear the question or idea really shouldnt be in charge of anything.

JFK was one of the better Presidents, however, in my opinion he pales in comparison to FDR.

Quote from: sys49152 on January 07, 2008, 10:22:45 PM

Quote from: yamahonkawazukiheh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country

You wouldn't support this?

http://www.liberalparty.org/JFKLPAcceptance.html

I'm not a US citizen and I'm certainly not married to any one political party in my own country, but I'd definitely support that.

that yes, current things no. higher taxes definately no. wed do alot better, if we'd manage money better, ( not just in teh military or war tg)

Quote from: trumpetguy on January 07, 2008, 09:56:42 PM

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 14, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
heh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country

Gee, it's nice to see that you're open-minded.  What a ridiculous statement.  Hopefully it was intended as humor. 

well, can you tell me something the "liberals " have done for this country? ( something specific)

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 07, 2008, 11:22:02 PMwell, can you tell me something the "liberals " have done for this country? ( something specific)

How about:
Civil rights
Environmental laws
Social Security
Safety laws (OSHA)
Medicare-Medicaid
The Peace Corps
Welfare (for the poor and corporate)
Student grant and loan programs
Unemployment insurance
Prevailing wage laws
Right to collective bargaining (which brought about paid medical insurance, paid vacations, pensions, etc.)

The last Democratic president also left office with a budget surplus (with the help of a Democratic Senate and Republican House).

recently

Quote from: trumpetguy on January 08, 2008, 12:00:34 AM

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 07, 2008, 11:22:02 PMwell, can you tell me something the "liberals " have done for this country? ( something specific)

How about:
Civil rights
Environmental laws
Social Security
Safety laws (OSHA)
Medicare-Medicaid
The Peace Corps
Welfare (for the poor and corporate)
Student grant and loan programs
Unemployment insurance
Prevailing wage laws
Right to collective bargaining (which brought about paid medical insurance, paid vacations, pensions, etc.)

The last Democratic president also left office with a budget surplus (with the help of a Democratic Senate and Republican House).
and slashed the military budget forcing the current president to spend more than needed

look tg, i not going to argure with you on this, or any other one, reson i engage in these "discussions" is i take my voting seriously. and in 08 im not sure who the hell to look at , they all seem to act like car salesmen. telling you what you want to hear in hopes that you leave with whatever they are trying to sell you. tell me, in YOUR opinion, what would be the best liberal to vote for, ( or at least why i should at least consider it), im looking at tehm all goin wtf

OK, the Peace Corp and SS are effectively a f%$king joke   I am however willing to concede the others to you, especially the fact that the last liberal president (despite his misdeeds) handled our finances quite well.  I would really like to see Obama in office, it's a shame this country would never elect him.

I really think the word "liberal" has been vilified in the right-wing media, which is to say all of the media.  Just yesterday, I heard an analyst on CNN say that Obama was a liberal Democrat.  Baloney.  Kucinich is a liberal Democrat.  Richardson is a liberal Democrat.  Edwards is somewhat liberal.  Obama and Clinton are old-time centrist corporatist democrats.

I do think the country will elect Obama.  At this (early) moment, it looks like he's the man .  I don't Jesus could be elected as a Republican right now.  People are so fed up with the direction of the country, and the inability of Congress to change it over presidential vetoes or veto threats, that I don't think they'll even consider four more years of a Republican in the White House.

I do think that some of the candidates believe in what they're saying.  I'm not enamored of Clinton -- even though she has some good ideas, she tends to look at polls before she utters every word.  Obama would be an improvement over her, but still not willing enough to challenge corporations for control of this country.  Edwards, of the top three, is my first choice.  He has experience in government, but realizes that people are more important than corporate profit.  Richardson has experience in foreign policy and executive government and great ideas, but he's not well-known enough (and he's not a media darling so he won't become well-known).  Kucinich is too out-of-the-mainstream -- he probably has the best ideas, but he's a wacky personality.

On the Republican side, Ron Paul is sincere.  The others have various degrees of disconnect between what they say they believe and what they have done.  For example, how can one be both pro-life and pro-Iraq war?  They all are (except Paul).  Romney has flip-flopped more than a fish out of water to woo the evangelical vote, only to be outdone by a former Baptist preacher (now that's funny, I don't care who you are).  McCain voted to outlaw torture, but won't confront Bush about it when his law is being circumvented and wants to claim he's a man of principles.  Right.

I'd vote for Obama, Edwards, or Richardson.  If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination, I'll grudgingly vote for her.  I have voted in every election since 1975, but this one smells more like a media event than ANY I've seen.  It's like we really don't get to hear what they say, we get to hear what we're presented.

We have had TWELVE years of a Democratic president since 1968.  It's pretty clear that the public isn't happy with the direction we're headed, so I think any Democrat nominated will win in November.

The USA is hundreds of billions in debt

Ok, the way to get finances back in order is to yes, cut spending. Raise taxes? Definately not. It's not just about taking in more money and spending less, it's about the people as a whole making and spending more money. If you tax people more, then the money skips the economy. not a good thing. Let people keep their money (eliminate income tax. It's unconstitutional you know), spend it and the government will see a natural increase in revenue through the prospering people. Thats a real economy.
Free healthcare? that is the biggest joke I have ever heard. You realize you will be paying through the teeth in taxes to cover this monumental increase in spending. Frankie, don't say the government needs to cut spending and say we need universal health care all at once. It can't happen. All sorts of losers will flood the hospitals with every ache and pain so when I break an ankle, I have to wait a day or two to have it fixed, and I will pay more for them to do so. It is fundementally the worst idea that the "librals" have.

ok, cut taxes and spending. More money to the people. Free market health care. Who can do all of this? Ron Paul.
Just take one minute to quit being lazy and look him up.

  -Anti