This is f!@#$ng terrible. Struck a curb and lost control. Pronounced dead as hospital. Wife and 4 kids......

Not sure how fast he was going or other details....

Stay safe out there. Life can end in an instant. 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/22/clinton.motorcade/index.html?iref=topnews

R - ride
I - in
P - paradise

Its also sad to see that 2 other officers have been killed in the last 18 months escorting Bush.

i saw that today, that is a terrible tragedy.  we should all remember safety, i don't recall police in north america wearing full helmets.  in europe some do.  i don't know if this would have helped the officer or not but it could not have hurt.

indeed. usually those escorts are not at high speeds tho but something happened, i guess well see when teh official report is out

Yeah, I really want to hear the full story on this, hopefully that's not too morbid.  I have no idea why police departments haven't all gone to full-face helmets or at least flip-up helmets and better body protection...unless this is a psychological thing, they don't want officers to appear too impersonal when responding to civilians.  Doesn't explain why they don't supply leathers instead of the standard issue uniforms though.  Compared to the officer's salary, I would expect the price of safety gear is minimal and certainly cheaper than paying for medical care for downed officers who weren't wearing gear.

Don't officers have unions who would help them get this type of reform instituted?  Or do they not want to wear the safety gear?

edit:  Two perfect examples of the right way, and the wrong way, to equip officers for motor duty: left side - right, right side - wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_motorcycle#Motorcycles_used

good find on the wiki

Quote from: asobi on February 24, 2008, 08:11:19 AM
I have no idea why police departments haven't all gone to full-face helmets or at least flip-up helmets and better body protection...unless this is a psychological thing, they don't want officers to appear too impersonal when responding to civilians. 

http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178482
http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113241

hope I dont get in trouble for posting this but here

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http://chopperpunks.com/videos/officer-in-clinton-motorcade-dies-in-crash.html

looks like he hit the corner of the wall.

-why would you get in trouble for posting that video? 

the officer died doing one of the things he loved: riding
i'd like to hope his wife and kids are taken care of.

R-ide I-n P-aradise      indeed.

ride on bro, ride on. 

Quote from: ohgood on February 25, 2008, 02:16:06 PM
the officer died doing one of the things he loved: riding
i'd like to hope his wife and kids are taken care of.

R-ide I-n P-aradise      indeed.

ride on bro, ride on. 

Maybee he hated riding? How do you know he loved it?

i think it was she

RIP motor officer. 

When I first saw a pic of the bike, I was amazed at the damage. I've seen so many motor officer demonstrations and watched so many motor officers on the road... They always seem so perfect... They can do amazing things on their bikes. What a terrible tragedy. 

Quote from: CndnMax on February 24, 2008, 10:45:00 PM
looks like he hit the corner of the wall.

-why would you get in trouble for posting that video? 

there was some heat from the last video I posted (very graphic), thats all..

Quote from: Domindart on February 25, 2008, 08:23:02 PM
there was some heat from the last video I posted (very graphic), thats all..

Don't take it personally. Folks just get a lil"het" up around here every once in a while. 

Quote from: scottpA_GS on February 25, 2008, 02:29:26 PM

Quote from: ohgood on February 25, 2008, 02:16:06 PM
the officer died doing one of the things he loved: riding
i'd like to hope his wife and kids are taken care of.

R-ide I-n P-aradise      indeed.

ride on bro, ride on. 

Maybee he hated riding? How do you know he loved it?

It's an assumption. Haven't talked to a moto cop that said he hated the motos. Havent' talked to one single guy/gal on a motorcycle that said they hated riding either. It's pretty easy to sell a bike and drive a car.

Quote from: CndnMax on February 24, 2008, 03:10:44 PM

Quote from: asobi on February 24, 2008, 08:11:19 AM
I have no idea why police departments haven't all gone to full-face helmets or at least flip-up helmets and better body protection...unless this is a psychological thing, they don't want officers to appear too impersonal when responding to civilians. 

http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178482
http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113241

Thanks for the resources!

This issue really bugs me.  To me it's as clear as approval voting - the costs are one-time, small, and EASILY outweighed by the medical costs which taxpayers will have to pay in the case of an accident without gear.  The department has no excuse for not supplying gear.  From the officer's side, I can respect the not wanting to look intimidating argument, but they already have switched to black uniforms from blue, and the mirrored sunglasses don't exactly help in that respect either.  The mobility/comfort argument is countered by textile gear and flip-up helmets.  Personally I opt for leathers and full-face, but I can see where occupationally officers may differ.  There may have been an excuse for the standard cotton uniform and open-face helmet 20 years ago, but there isn't now.  The progress of technology and the Hurt report have made that more than clear.

I'm going after this one.  I mean, there are issues where I know that reasonable minds may disagree.  The war in Iraq, what to do about illegal immigration, the drug war...all these, you can come at from different angles and that's fine, we'll settle it in the voting booth.  But things like better gear for motor officers and approval voting are just plain as day.  I cannot see any reason why the unions or the police departments would object to gradually outfitting officers in better protection.  I plan to start writing local groups immediately and I'll offer up my open letters to others here when I've written them so you can do the same.

Edit: Upon further review, this needs more humor.

i am just guessing here but i wonder if it is not a communication issue?  being able to key the mic and heard clearly...?

Quote from: frankieG on February 26, 2008, 11:49:26 AM
i am just guessing here but i wonder if it is not a communication issue?  being able to key the mic and heard clearly...?

I can't imagine any scenario where a flip-up helmet would preclude communications more than an open-face helmet.  It takes like 2 seconds to flip up the chin bar.