Don't be stupid...Deadly accident

JeffD · November 18, 2003, 08:18:28 PM

Well I just watched the news here in Tampa, FL. and a man on a Kawasaki ZX-something was doing wheelies, and when the police tried to pull him over he took off, and the police began to chase him. He did a u-turn and sped up to >100mph when he clipped a school bus, lost control and ended up dying from his injuries.

Becareful out there.

JamesG · November 18, 2003, 08:44:35 PM

Darwinism in action...

can-can · November 18, 2003, 10:57:02 PM

What a f%$k-tard!! It's morons like that that give "normal" bike riders a bad name. No wonder we have to pay out of the ass for insurance!!!

pantablo · November 18, 2003, 11:42:19 PM

Quote from: JamesGDarwinism in action...

See james-you gotta be careful around those buses!

purerealm · November 19, 2003, 01:22:48 AM

what the hell are you guys talking about? motorcycle insurance is cheap.

It's a free country let the man do what he wants for christs sake he's dead now. i dont think the school bus was endangered by a little motorcycle man. where else would you practice high speed wheelies besides the highway anyway

spaz · November 19, 2003, 04:43:43 AM

now it's a schoolbus but what if your kid is walking there

JeffD · November 19, 2003, 06:02:06 AM

it was on rural roads out by the farms and such. I agree though this does give motorcyclist a bad name.

cozy · November 19, 2003, 09:09:47 AM

What a f***head! Death or a ticket - he probably was riding without proper credentials anyway which would explain why he took off. As for this being a free country - you are NOT free to endanger the lives of those around you for the sake of individuality. Please don't invoke the constitution for this a**hole's sake. :x

sblandin68 · November 19, 2003, 09:31:54 AM

Right on Cozy!! One more idiot we don't have to worry about being on the roads! :guns: I don't think practicing wheelies is something anybody "has" to do!

mwdbruno · November 19, 2003, 09:35:58 AM

I sure do love job security!!! :lol:

For those who don't know...I'm currently employed as USAF LEO, soon to transition to the civilian LEO realm. But I'm really a nice guy, promise.

Rema1000 · November 19, 2003, 09:40:54 AM

Quote from: can-canNo wonder we have to pay out of the ass for insurance!!!

I think the insurance premiums are loosely-based on insurance claims. It sounds like thankfully nobody was hurt (other than the obvious), so unless the bus suffered damage, nobody will be making a claim against his m/c insurance.

Hm. I suppose technically his estate (spouse, kids) could try to file an insurance claim for the damages to the bike, but most insurance companies refuse to pay-out if the vehicle was being used for criminal purposes (fleeing an officer) at the time of an accident.

If this has any effect on insurance for the rest of us, it might cause one more life-insurance company which decides to add motorcylcling to their list of exclusions as a "high risk" activity :x On the other hand, what are the odds that a guy who demonstrated such lack of foresight had life insurance?

Lerxst · November 19, 2003, 01:12:09 PM

Another accident story, but even worse ending.

This is just heresay (covering my butt), but recently in my berg the following "apparently" happened.

-Guy has a few beers in the afternoon at a local pub.
-Guy starts doing wheelies, stoppies, etc on the main drag.
-Police hear about this and are out looking for him.
-He flees the area taking back lanes.
-He t-bones a Chevy Malibu at 150km/h
-The driver of the car is killed (mother of two I think)
-Guy is busted up pretty good, but expected to recover.

%$#*&!!!

JeffD · November 19, 2003, 03:27:27 PM

yup, most of the time its the innocent that get hurt. :x

purerealm · November 19, 2003, 04:30:59 PM

what's a back lane and how does a guy in a motorcycle kill a woman in a truck with the motorcycle dude surviving?

pizzleboy · November 19, 2003, 04:45:22 PM

crashes motorcycle into driver side of car, dipsh*t goes flying over and doesn't hit anything.

dgyver · November 19, 2003, 07:57:38 PM

There was a wreck recently on some local twisties (276 at Ceasar Head between Greenville, SC and Brevard, NC). He was riding a '03 R1 and apparently was "stunting". When he dropped it down he lost control and went head-on into a car. His own stupity killed himself. The article was leaning towards the speeding of sportbikes in the mountains, but there was no reference that he was speeding in the wreck. It really pisses me off the way the media trys to sway the facts to incite the masses.

If you ever plan on owning a bigger sportbike, the actions of these stunters will affect you. Some will wreck there bikes, turn them in as "stolen" and then part them out on ebay. These fraud claims are paid by everyone. Most major insurance companies don't write new policies for sportbikes now. If they do, the premiums for a year are outrageous. I have seen 'Busa insurance run about $4000/year. I only carry liability on my TLR (about $450/year) since full coverage is somewhere around $1500/year and I have had auto & motorcycle insurance with Allstate since '87 along with home owners since '90. If I do crash my bike I will fix it out of my pocket and then I might turn it into a track bike.

I enjoy watching stunts but not on the street. If you like speed...take it to the track. 1 track day is cheaper than the ticket(s) along with the increase in your insurance.

Lerxst · November 19, 2003, 09:52:08 PM

Back lanes are rough uneven (sometimes paved) road with backyards of houses on either side.

"Apparently" the guys Gixxer 1000 hit the driver's side door of the car (entering the cabin and killing the woman). His hands and head hit the roof and then he flew over the car.

At the time, was looking for a new helmet. After hearing about this, I bought the same style, figuring that was a pretty good test of survivability. (HJC CL-14)

November 20, 2003, 03:32:43 AM

Good reason for cops NOT to get involved in high speed chases just for traffic infringements.

If the guy just killed someone, robbed a bank, raped etc etc, sure chase his ass down... but if you caught him doing a wheelie, get his licence plate, get is address, go arrest/ticket him. If you don't get his plate, then THAT'S BAD POLICING!

All police do is provoke a guy/girl to speed more to get away. Being chased is not easy, why do you think Rossi likes second place? He pressures people into accidents, look at the GP stats of rider falls and race position, like 70% are in front with Rossi behind!

Same goes for cops and a guy/gal in a car or on a bike, you lose yourself and then control... back the F@#! off, get his/her plate - go book em...

Other then that -

Stay Safe

mwdbruno · November 20, 2003, 04:30:59 AM

Keyzer, I respectfully disagree.

It is not the police's job to predict the prior actions of the person who is running from them. In the last 10 years of my involvement in law enforcement I've never had someone run who is only guilty of reckless driving alone. In fact with the exception of a couple of chases, most have been for violent crimes. In the 15 or so chases I've been involved in, more than half were intiated when the violator commited a "simple" trafic infraction and/or a stop was attempted after the primary officer observed indicators of suspicion. To help tie the 2 together, a friend of mine was shot by a motorist when he stopped him for a brake light being out on his cage and (from what we know from the radio traffic) general suspicious activity. At the time the officer had no clue the violator had just murdered his ex girlfriend and was on his way to kill her new lover. After the stop and my buddy was killed, the guy was discovered and after a brief shoot-out was taken into custody. If this guy would have ran would it be appropriate to take his plate and then go book 'em?

I will agree not everyone who runs needs chased down. I'll never chase into an active school zone or a busy residential area. And after being at the job for a while I can tell you the training MOST departments are giving their officers includes an immediate risk evaluation of the chase and measures to insure the uptmost safety for the innocent public.

We all know there are times that innocent people have gotten injured and killed when idiots run from the police, and I can't apologize for that, but to blame the police for another's irresponsibility I can't condone.

We all have our opinions on this topic I'm sure...just thought I'd throw mine out there.

Lane

Lerxst · November 20, 2003, 08:33:42 AM

I don't know about the laws and implications, but couldn't the rider claim "it wasn't me" if you take the plate down and go see him/her later?

In the specific incident in Winnipeg, he wasn't being chased. He was just trying to get out of the area quick.

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