Religion is in most peoples' hearts and mind and is what makes up the moral infrastructure of the world.  It's always going to be a major swing factor for all political races till the end of time.

Just thought I'd share this new video I came across.  It's not Religious or Political at all.  Just sheds a new light on Obama about something you may not have known.

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=VIdbYjmbFzo&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i3.ytimg.com/vi/VIdbYjmbFzo/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIoZiU7xcAbjC6TKoBXJGXl&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1&color1=11030525463&color2=13507105431&fs=1&hl=en

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=VIdbYjmbFzo&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i3.ytimg.com/vi/VIdbYjmbFzo/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIoZiU7xcAbjC6TKoBXJGXl&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1&color1=11030525463&color2=13507105431&fs=1&hl=en

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=VIdbYjmbFzo&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i3.ytimg.com/vi/VIdbYjmbFzo/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIoZiU7xcAbjC6TKoBXJGXl&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1&color1=11030525463&color2=13507105431&fs=1&hl=en

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=VIdbYjmbFzo&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i3.ytimg.com/vi/VIdbYjmbFzo/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIoZiU7xcAbjC6TKoBXJGXl&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1&color1=11030525463&color2=13507105431&fs=1&hl=en

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=VIdbYjmbFzo&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i3.ytimg.com/vi/VIdbYjmbFzo/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIoZiU7xcAbjC6TKoBXJGXl&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1&color1=11030525463&color2=13507105431&fs=1&hl=en

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOMdW4bTy6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PePbtEABzGk

Yep, not religious or political at all.  Not real truthful either.  Typical Obama smear garbage.

Do you want the state making health care decisions or doctors and the people involved?  Abortion is sometimes a health issue, a fact which most rabid anti-choice people refuse to admit.

If anti-choice extremists truthfully wanted to limit abortions, they would support funds for family planning.  McCain has not.  He wouldn't even support making birth control available through insurance whenever Viagra is provided by insurance.

Any attempt to outlaw abortion is, like it or not, an attempt to legislate religion.  Taliban, anyone?

what about that issue with teh "botched" abortion in IL, and obamas position on that, the baby could have lived, and did briefly, from what i understand. i am a pro life person, HOWEVER, if it can be proven that say teh baby WILL absolutely not survive at all, or the mother will not if child is carried, ( ref. ectopic pregnancy), then i am willing to give in, but the abortion issue is here to stay, and will be for the forseeable future. next thing i wonder is when will Obama play the race card again?, clintons called him on it, , hell He has no reason to play it ( at least among his supporters anyway, and i would like to think we dont need to be repeatedly reminded of his skin color 

Obama's opposition to the Illinois bill was due to the fact that he felt it threatened women's right to choose while criminal statutes already in force protected infants.  Quite different from the impression given in the videos, and that isn't accidental.

Obama has not played on his race, despite the mildly disguised racism in McCain's ads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsOS_ZH9vFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlBIAt4YZA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRFoWH_a3H4&feature=related

oh really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQY_9ZcsjpQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=talCQHS6u2k and this, although being fox, IS a recording of him

Yama, how do you define "playing the race card"?

I just wasted fifteen minutes looking at your links and I find literally NOTHING that qualifies by my definition.  Obama has never said, "vote for me because I am black and you owe me your vote," or "vote for me because it's been pointed out that I am black."  He has specifically run his race as an American candidate, not as an African-American candidate.

Speaking the truth is not playing the race card.  The McCain campaign and its sleazy surrogates on the internet and hate radio have repeatedly done exactly what he said: trying to frighten the American public by lying about Obama.  Saying that the Republicans would do that and are doing it is not "playing the race card."

McCain cannot even answer a question about how many houses he owns.  He said he'd have to get back to the reporters on that.  Is that age, or that he's just lost track?  I don't know about you, but I can answer that question easily.  Why can't he?

The answer is: at least seven houses, probably ten.  He owns at least $18 million in real estate, yet he runs an ad criticizing how nice Obama's (one) house is?  And Obama's an elitist?  Please...  It's all code talk for "Obama's getting uppity" and you and the rest of the country know it.  THAT is the real race card.

well, im trying to find teh issue, said somethign refferring to, theyre going to try to scare you, because i dont look like all thos presidents on the dollar bills, ( a pseudo black reference), how i have a funny name ( that one i could care less about, his name and all) and " oh yeah did i mention hes black?" his comment, see there is no need for that shaZam!. at all, BY anyone. and regarding the rest of your post. do you have any comments of your own words?, i read this earlier, VERBATIM, from many sites. anyhoo take care  , no matter what i say, youll vote for him, no matter what you say, ill vote for whomever ill vote for, ( have yet to decide on whom ). anyhoo, i respect you enough where i am going to cease participation in this thread, because anyhtign further i post. could escalate it to petty name calling and stuff. and my respect for you and otehrs here is better than that. so anyhoo, have an E-Beer 

 

I'll take your e-beer and raise you one!  No disrespect intended from me either.

I would love to live in an America where ISSUES dominated political races and not attempted assassination by sleaze.

Even McCain was a victim of Rove's sleazebags in 2000 when they insinuated in the primary race (via push-polling) that McCain had a mixed-race illegitimate child.  But now that he's the candidate, he HIRES Rove's sleazebags to do the same kind of nonsense to Obama.  Not cool.

BTW, the entirety of my post was my own.  I didn't cut and paste from anywhere.  I'm simply pointing out the ridiculous nature of McCain calling Obama elitist.  And in my own words, to boot.

weird, your own words matched those i rea/heard earlier today, and yesterday lol , i dont consider Obama perfect. far from it. i dont consider Mccain perfect either. far from it. nor do i believe he is/will be bush III. that aside, like ive said in posts past, this will be a very close election, with many in a few select circles crying foul/recount. this wont end in november-january methinks

Quote from: trumpetguy on August 21, 2008, 08:32:49 PM
Yep, not religious or political at all.  Not real truthful either.  Typical Obama smear garbage.

Do you want the state making health care decisions or doctors and the people involved?  Abortion is sometimes a health issue, a fact which most rabid anti-choice people refuse to admit.

If anti-choice extremists truthfully wanted to limit abortions, they would support funds for family planning.  McCain has not.  He wouldn't even support making birth control available through insurance whenever Viagra is provided by insurance.

Any attempt to outlaw abortion is, like it or not, an attempt to legislate religion.  Taliban, anyone?

I was refering to just the first post as not political or religious.  Not the rest of them.  Those were just other videos that I had come across during the day.

The fact that you thing abortion in only a health care issue is where you went wrong.  It's murder.  It affects another human being.  Just because they're smaller and younger than you, you really shouldn't pick on them like that.  It hurts their feelings.

Family planning is murder as well.  The line for where life begins is different in your eyes than mine.  At conception, when the cells begin to grow into a person, is considered a life to me.  When say, 6 of those are created, and implanted, then the other 3-5 of them are killed when at least one takes completely is still murder.  And I am not anti contraceptives.  I'm glad my wife had her birth control.  If not, we would have had our baby girl before we were ready.

Abortion is not 'religion', as you call it.  It's murder, which infringes on another human beings life.  What if the age of 'living' was upped to 1 month old.  Then anyone could just go around killing 1 month olds if they didn't want them anymore.  Guess what, my daughter was 1 month preemie, and she's living just fine.  She had been alive inside my wife for a long time prior to that too.  Just cause she's getting nutrition through her umbilical cord doesn't me she's not alive yet.

These video's are not false statements.  They are showing what all the other pro-Obama stations don't show.  The side that people don't want to know about him.

One good point that has been brought up, What has Obama ever accomplished in offices.  He's not done anything.  His supporters agree.  They are just caught up in the fact that he has potential to do something.  But what is still unclear.  Things that we do know about him, are that he wants a one world government.  He wants to take away my right to own a gun.  He wants to take away my money and give it to people that are poor.  These communistic/socialistic/marxist views are not good for the common person.  They will destroy America.  Very rapidly at that.

I know that Obama will win in this next election.  There's no way that he can't.  I just hope that the American people can realize soon enough when he starts doing outrageous things, that he needs to be out of office as soon as possible.  That way we can all minimize that damage that he could cause.

This is a good video that really shed light on what issues he brings.  He is a very very far left person, but for the general election, he's changed a lot of views more toward the center.  He's very unclear on what he believes in, so what exactly are we going to get when he is president?  Most likely extreme left, but he's been changing his views recently, so we are still unclear on what he brings to the table.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvaT9RypDC8

As we are gettng close to the date ... its becoming increasingly clear to me ...

Dont ask me why, I am going with gut feeling and sorta what I have seen in India.

I dont think the majority of the US public is going to vote for a black man. They will never say it explicitly for fear of being called racist, and that really is the problem, they are ...

The democratic primaries only showed that over a white woman who clearly "wears the pants" in the family ... as in when she was in the white house ... and no other really viable candidates ... that 1/2 was very divided and with a very close margin picked the black man.

Get in the booth and people will not be driven by fear of racism. they will walk out and say they voted black ...

I anticipate a wide victory for McCain - which will be a huge acheivement against any viable democrat IMHO, cos after 8 bush years, the last thing they want to do is to go back to that same pool of governance but against non white - its almost foregone.

Its going to be like the OJ trial. Almost fall right along race lines.

People will not tell their gut feelings out to pollsters. Especially if the gut feelings are considered wrong.

We will just lead the candidates along and watch them crash and burn, and then claim I voted for him, but he lost.

All this is gut feeling, I cannot even vote ... so I have no stake really ... but No one is mentioning ... "I aint voting for a black man" and hence it is going to be kept hidden till the booth. if we hear that and there are people agreeing with that, then they go on to how he does share the fears and concerns of the white population - that will be a different story.

Cool.
Buddha.

Found a good video on the impact that Obama will have on the economy.  Watch it, you may be surprised.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0owetqLteg

Buddah, you may be right.  This country is still very racist at heart.  I'm not sure if it's to the extreme that he is a 'black man' that will be why people wouldn't vote for him.  I think if there was the right 'black man', there could be an overwhelming majority voting in his direction.  I'd have no problem voting, and following a black man as president, as long as he were the right man for the job, with similar beliefs to my own.  I think the majority of America would feel the same way.  Maybe since this is the first black man that has made it this far, race is at the front of peoples mind, and at the back of peoples conversations.  It may play a role, greater this time, than in future elections.