i agree i don't think global warming is anything more than part of the earths natural cycle

Very true, it's no where near as hot as it's been in the past, and yes, we technically are still in an ice age.  We're talking about the Earth people, no one can change the temperature on an annual basis.  Even with offsetting the balance of gases in the air, it's going to do what it's going to do.

I'm surprised that Global Warmists haven't suggested to nuke a volcano so it errupts, so that a cloud layer will fill the sky for years to cool the Earth back down.

it is like the vegans or vegetarians. if it were not for homids eating meat we would not have evolved into humans with our large brain capacity.  we have canine teeth stupid...hello!!  has anyone met a vegan or vegetarian that is a big fit guy?  most of them a gaunt, skinny and look like heroin addicts.   i eat meat with every meal, with only slight exceptions.  breakfast is eggs and bacon, sausage or ham.   lunch is a hamburger(my fav food) or sandwich etc.  for supper it is always centered around a meat course,  it may be beef, pork, fish or what have you.  if ii eat a meal  with out meat it is just not filling, satisfying nor does it give me the energy or nutrients i need.  so you vegans and veterinarians....go into the line with the cattle and you will get the same air gun treatment they get 

Quote from: frankieG on August 28, 2008, 01:11:50 PM
it is like the vegans or vegetarians. if it were not for homids eating meat we would not have evolved into humans with our large brain capacity.  we have canine teeth stupid...hello!!  has anyone met a vegan or vegetarian that is a big fit guy?  most of them a gaunt, skinny and look like heroin addicts.   i eat meat with every meal, with only slight exceptions.  breakfast is eggs and bacon, sausage or ham.   lunch is a hamburger(my fav food) or sandwich etc.  for supper it is always centered around a meat course,  it may be beef, pork, fish or what have you.  if ii eat a meal  with out meat it is just not filling, satisfying nor does it give me the energy or nutrients i need.  so you vegans and veterinarians....go into the line with the cattle and you will get the same air gun treatment they get 

I agree on some of that.  However, I believe that God Created us to eat meat.  He gave us the animals around us to use for food, and their skins for clothing and warmth.  The bones for tools, and anything else we could use the rest of them for.

They can feed more people per acre with just vegetarians. Cows that feed on hay only used for milk, hens that ear insects and excess grain only used for eggs. India has vegetarianism tuned into a fine art. You need meat cos food does not have inherent "fun" built in. There is a million spices and so many ways to cook stuff it will make you faint.
However I eat meat and will always do ... except when I am in india. I have run through fields, and pulled corn right off the plant, roasted it and eaten it, I have uprooted sugarcane and hacked it in 3-4 and shared it with my brothers and sisters (each of us ate 3-4 feet of cane and we were sticky as glue), I ahve paid people 20 c to climb a tree and yank off palm or young coconut, stuck a straw in it and drank right off the coconut or palm fruit. List goes on and on. I have also rounded up chicken and had people make butter chicken and eaten it. The food game is a tie. I'll do one or other, or both.
Cool.
Buddha.

Ron Paul.

Quote from: quiktaco on August 28, 2008, 11:46:46 AM
Sorry, just getting tired of fighting.  There's really no way to convince someone who's strong-held on one side, to make the believe the views of the other.  Same goes in both directions.  Some people believe that they have the right to freedom, and self reliance, and self responsibility, and others want their lives run by the government, and want to get free handouts, because they don't want to take responsibility for their own lives.

That doesn't seem to stop you from lying to try to convince others.

You seem to value freedom, yet McCain's party has virtually shredded the constitution (with his willing help) in the last seven years.  Denial of habeas corpus, illegal wiretapping, treasonously outing a CIA agent involved in protecting us from real WMDs, etc., etc.

You seem to value fiscal responsibility but guess which party actually practices it?
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

You seem to want a life free from government intrusion, but you propose making all abortion illegal.  That would make your religious views the law of the land, even though many other religions, including Judaism, do not believe that life begins at conception.  Is that not the ultimate government intrusion?

Obama said tonight that surely we can protect the second amendment and still keep AK-47s from the hands of street gangs.  Does "protect the second amendment" sound to you like giving up your guns?

Lie and mislead all you want.  Hate radio and email forwards have convinced a weak-minded 12% of Americans that Obama is a Muslim, but that doesn't make it true.  He is a Christian just like John McCain.  He just doesn't have as many houses. 

what does having houses do or qualify one for pres. both sides lie. both sides tell only a partial shred of the truth. and this illegal wiretapping. is not illegal. i believe either SCOTUS or teh house/senate approved it. although id say it is designed to intecept talk from teh bad guys coming in. i hope thats the ONLY thing it does. no one has any proof of it being used elsewhere. ( i hope it isnt. ) cause getign a warrant can sometimes, be too time consuming for certain things, ive got to admit though TG, im not an obama supporter, BUT hillary, bill, biden and obama gave some pretty good speeches tonight, and over the past few days. ill keep my argument to this. and leave it here. if teh govt can curtail the porkbarrel spending, aka spend responsibly.  EVERYWHERE. we wouldnt need more taxes, like obama wants, says hes going to cut taxes to what was it 95% of the populace ehre?. hes got to pay for his programs somehow.. and hes running for pres. did he take a leave of absence from the senate? if not he needs to be there more than he is . hell were payin him, he needs to represent. same wiht mccain or whomever else is in the senate/house and is vying for the whitehouse. and i really dont see quiktaco as lying. nor do i see anti-abortion as a religious matter. i am religious, but i see abortion as taking life and this. liberal site  http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm  got anythign more of a central view. there are reasons BC didnt rack up a debt.  even though during his admin. we were at wars in several locations, he did a LTO of budget cutting teh DEMS are jsut as bad as teh repubs were in pork barrel spending. kinda like the song, " meet the new boss, same as teh old boss". gaah TG sorry bout the long winded rant err reply. but unlike many in liberal circles who will point fingers ONLY at non liberals as being at fault, or non liberals pointing fingers at ONLY liberals as being solely at fault. i stand in the middle and point at BOTH. i honestly dont think theres been a good congress, nor a good president in recent memory ( fiscally), and as far as teh houses mccain has( wife has anyway), whats the relevance?. you can cite that all day jsut like i cold cite obamas not being able to remember how many states there were. that trivial bullshit needs to stop. there is no need for it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws meh all i say is VOTE on voting day. NOW im officially done with this thread 

Owwww ... is McCain trying to lose ...
He could well be picking the next president ... he is getting kinda "of a certain age" you know ...
And while I have long said, a woman for president - yes, just not this one ... I do believe I'd vote for the McCain/Palin if I was so inclined - woman wont stop me, but neither will black man ... but now you have to wonder ... black man vs white woman - gonna be close, maybe if McCain was younger, he'd get an easy victory ... but at his age he cannot take that chance.
Anyway, will american voters take a black man over a white woman who is relatively unknown (huge advantage atleast that is ... thank god she's not Hitlery is what people will be saying I guess) ...
Cool.
Buddha.

please do not call those who disagree with your opinion on this board liars.  we and you are better than that.  i really hope that mccain loses and Obama wins.  he said today that he will cut taxes for 95% of Americans and remove our dependence on middle east oil within 10 years.  that alone should ensure his election as president.   mccain is too old, like Reagan, could be subject to health concerns. then do we want some first term Alaskan as our president?  i think not.  mccain has voted over 90% of the time with bush...so he thinks that this administration is 90% correct.  with our spending and deficit at record proportions and young Americans being killed in a illegal Vietnam type war.  i went over there in 88 for the cease fire, in 90 for the first gulf war and 03 for the invasion.  the first two times i was OK with it. the 3rd lead to my retirement and my distrust for this republican administration.  remember it is not just bush it is the entire republican party and their cronies.   i may go back as a privateer err mercenary(with terry in tow). but that is only for the money and nothing to do with helping anyone over there.  because to be honest i don't give a rats ass about them and neither does this government and most Americans.  if it were not for the oil we would just have left it alone. 

If someone lies about a candidate, they are a lying liar.  My disagreement has nothing to do with that.  I would never call someone a liar just because I thought they were wrong.

I will continue to call lies out whenever I spot them.  If someone lies about McCain I'll be the first to call it out.

Obama is not a socialist.  He is a Christian (as if that mattered for President).  He is not a radical Islamist.  He doesn't want to trash the second amendment.  End of story.

Obama IS a Marxist thinking socialist. He is representative of a party that is KNOWN globally for being anti-gun. Especially anti-handgun.
Believe me........they WANT to TAKE our guns. Words like "responsible gun ownership", registered ownership are nothing more than buzzwords for "acquiring your guns". Left to their own, aside from the military and police, we'd all have single shot .22 rifles and have to go fire at a "registered" "Government" shooting range. The last 'bout would be the closing of aforementioned Goverment ranges.
We can't even for one nanosecond allow them to get a toenail in the door. Don't believe me? Look at Great Britian and Austrailia.
These black-eyed bastard children actually believe that a woman in the emergency room having a rape-kit used on her is morally superior to a 110 pound woman standing above her graveyard dead attacker with a smoking .357 magnum.
Obama is certainly for "redistribution of wealth". Meaning taking from the worker and successful businesses and giving it to those who don't work, many of which have been on the taxpayer's dole for DECADES. That is SOCIALISM. My opinion on that is to FORCE them to work. FORCE. And if they keep having children that they can't afford and don't give a damn about, strap her ass on the stainless steel table and STERILIZE them FORCEABLY. If you tell me that if we don't keep giving them money, they will steal and riot. SHOOT THEM. Prob solved.
The Democratic Party has actually RUN OFF tens of millions over the last 44 years. Aside from a few die-hard Dixie-Crats, Delta-Crats, and a few very few white blue collar workers, it's turned into a damn freak show. It's been made complete with freaks, fruitcakes, fairies, veggie eaters, turd tapping-fudgepackers, tree huggers, save the whale types, damn PETA terrorists, carbon footprint idiots, immigrants that HATE the USA as much as they do, anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-fishing (first came came the freaks that wanted to do away with barbed hooks then came the "fish feel pain too" idiots) and people that actually HATE America the way it is. People that are so politically correct that it'll make you wanna hurl just listening to them and those damned foolish ass feminists and sorry ass communists.
This is classic......read this......at the Million Mom March (let me paraphrase this), a woman got up at the mic and screamed "the next time you are confronted by a man with a gun, say these words...........listen, I know that you are angry but we need to realize that each has value".......................hahahahaaha that is INSANITY!!!!!!! These are the kinds of people you have "in the Dem party".
I'm not a big fan of the Repubs either but they haven't come after our guns, hunting, fishing, and things that "men" enjoy doing.

But back to Obama again. He is as green as a spring twig and I damn sure don't want his green thumb on the nuke buttons my friends.
He really doesn't have a lot of experience at doing anything other than setting up neighborhood committees. He hasn't even managed a Mom and Pop grocery store and people are dumb enough to allow him total reign over the entire Wal-Mart corporation.

That's my simpleton take on the situation.

lying liar?

no matter what happens in this election, race will be an issue. if obama wins, it's cuz he's black and some racist redneck will shot him. if he loses, it's cuz he's black and some young gang-banger will drop the prez. this election will not be pretty i'm afraid. Obama does want to take our guns. it's in the party. all the dems are like that. i'd rather be a broke nation and able to defend myself than be monetarily rich and under an iron fist. sure, obama has SAID he's gonna rid us of our "oil dependance". sure he SAID he's gonna do this, gonna do that. how? seriously? what is his great master plan? anybody? he doesn't have one. he's like every other politician, blowin smoke up our asses, telling us what we want to hear. mccain is the same way. at least mccain has a plan. sure, his plan might be lets keep doing what we're doing for the next four years. but i feel he's the least likely to f%$k us even worse than we are. and the comment about ak-47's..... maybe i'm wrong but i'm under the impression that our right to bear arms was given to us in the event we need to "take back" our government. if the government has access to a weapon, i should be allowed the same access. after all, if we're going to war, do you want to be the dumbass who brings a knife to a gun fight? i think not.

Quote from: pkhoff on August 29, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
lying liar?

Yup.

Quote from: Revere2 on August 29, 2008, 12:47:54 PM
But back to Obama again. He is as green as a spring twig and I damn sure don't want his green thumb on the nuke buttons my friends.
He really doesn't have a lot of experience at doing anything other than setting up neighborhood committees. He hasn't even managed a Mom and Pop grocery store and people are dumb enough to allow him total reign over the entire Wal-Mart corporation.

I don't have any trouble with this part of the post.  I disagree, and think it would be far worse to have a hothead like McCain with his finger on the nuke button.

Experience only matters if one has learned from it.  McCain does not appear to have learned from his experience.

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on August 28, 2008, 11:49:30 PMand this illegal wiretapping. is not illegal. i believe either SCOTUS or teh house/senate approved it. although id say it is designed to intecept talk from teh bad guys coming in. i hope thats the ONLY thing it does. no one has any proof of it being used elsewhere. ( i hope it isnt. ) cause getign a warrant can sometimes, be too time consuming for certain things

The wiretapping WAS illegal or Bush wouldn't have insisted that Congress issue a get-out-of-jail-free card to the corporate co-conspirators.  Whistleblowers have testified that they installed equipment that let the government see EVERYthing that passed over the network, not just information and calls entering the country from terrorists.

The FISA act guaranteed presidents the ability to quickly respond to threats.  It allowed them to get search warrants (required by the US Constitution, I might add) AFTER the fact by applying to a special FISA court which almost never denies warrants.  They didn't do that, and instead secretly coerced telecoms to break the law by doing warrantless surveillance.

After they were caught, they said they were spying only on terrorists.  If that were the truth, why did they go outside the law to do it?  Another way of looking at it -- if they wanted to spy on political enemies, how could they do it and be virtually untraceable?  Do it in secret...

Obama's tax plan pays for itself -- it restores taxes cut by Bush on the top 5% of taxpayers, instead of putting the burden on the middle class.

BTW, the "houses" comment was a joke.  I'm in agreement that those are irrelevant details, like other unintentional gaffes made by all of them.  I only found it ironic that McCain calls Obama elitist, but then doesn't know how many houses he owns.

Being president is being a leader.  It has nothing to do with how many years spent in Washington or anywhere else.  Obama is a proven leader -- he can motivate people and he can fire them up.  He wasn't my first choice in the primaries (I actually wanted Edwards -- yikes) but I'll gladly vote for him over McCain.

crap i cannot leave this thread, its liek a drug or somethign. anyhoo. again my final comment, i heard of Mccains VP choice. and some in teh Obama camp caling her  "in-experienced" i just hope Obama doest say it directly, cause it would be liek teh pot calling teh kettle black , but he might, and hell if hedoes, it will make for an interesting debate down the road. which i look forward to 

Quote from: Revere2 on August 29, 2008, 12:47:54 PM
Obama IS a Marxist thinking socialist. He is representative of a party that is KNOWN globally for being anti-gun. Especially anti-handgun.
Believe me........they WANT to TAKE our guns. Words like "responsible gun ownership", registered ownership are nothing more than buzzwords for "acquiring your guns". Left to their own, aside from the military and police, we'd all have single shot .22 rifles and have to go fire at a "registered" "Government" shooting range. The last 'bout would be the closing of aforementioned Goverment ranges.
We can't even for one nanosecond allow them to get a toenail in the door. Don't believe me? Look at Great Britian and Austrailia.
These black-eyed bastard children actually believe that a woman in the emergency room having a rape-kit used on her is morally superior to a 110 pound woman standing above her graveyard dead attacker with a smoking .357 magnum.
Obama is certainly for "redistribution of wealth". Meaning taking from the worker and successful businesses and giving it to those who don't work, many of which have been on the taxpayer's dole for DECADES. That is SOCIALISM. My opinion on that is to FORCE them to work. FORCE. And if they keep having children that they can't afford and don't give a damn about, strap her ass on the stainless steel table and STERILIZE them FORCEABLY. If you tell me that if we don't keep giving them money, they will steal and riot. SHOOT THEM. Prob solved.
The Democratic Party has actually RUN OFF tens of millions over the last 44 years. Aside from a few die-hard Dixie-Crats, Delta-Crats, and a few very few white blue collar workers, it's turned into a damn freak show. It's been made complete with freaks, fruitcakes, fairies, veggie eaters, turd tapping-fudgepackers, tree huggers, save the whale types, damn PETA terrorists, carbon footprint idiots, immigrants that HATE the USA as much as they do, anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-fishing (first came came the freaks that wanted to do away with barbed hooks then came the "fish feel pain too" idiots) and people that actually HATE America the way it is. People that are so politically correct that it'll make you wanna hurl just listening to them and those damned foolish ass feminists and sorry ass communists.
This is classic......read this......at the Million Mom March (let me paraphrase this), a woman got up at the mic and screamed "the next time you are confronted by a man with a gun, say these words...........listen, I know that you are angry but we need to realize that each has value".......................hahahahaaha that is INSANITY!!!!!!! These are the kinds of people you have "in the Dem party".
I'm not a big fan of the Repubs either but they haven't come after our guns, hunting, fishing, and things that "men" enjoy doing.

But back to Obama again. He is as green as a spring twig and I damn sure don't want his green thumb on the nuke buttons my friends.
He really doesn't have a lot of experience at doing anything other than setting up neighborhood committees. He hasn't even managed a Mom and Pop grocery store and people are dumb enough to allow him total reign over the entire Wal-Mart corporation.

That's my simpleton take on the situation.

Exactly how I was going to reply to all of this.

Quoteand the comment about ak-47's..... maybe i'm wrong but i'm under the impression that our right to bear arms was given to us in the event we need to "take back" our government. if the government has access to a weapon, i should be allowed the same access. after all, if we're going to war, do you want to be the dumbass who brings a knife to a gun fight? i think not.

Exactly!  I want to be able to own a tank if I felt the need for it.
And he is anti gun, completely.  Always has been.  He just changed his stand on it in that speech (and maybe from now on, who knows) to appeal to more people...specifically anyone who doesn't hate the NRA.

And what is this about taking ak's away from street gangs?!?!  Hell, go for it.  They're felons usually anyways, so they have no right to a small little pea shooter in the first place.  Just don't come knocking on my door asking for my guns, cause I'll protect myself, my family, and my property (ei. my guns), with a swift shot in your ass!

nice to see i'm not alone in my thinking.