in my opinion anyone that thinks the war in iraq has "gods" approval is nuts .  just as nutty as the Islamic terrorists we are supposed to be fighting

That quote that you are referring to was taken out of context.  Research it off of liberal sites and you'll see the whole quote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs
This is more of the quote that I think you are referring to.  She's not saying directly that it IS A TASK FROM GOD, she's saying that we need to pray that it is in Gods plan.

For those of you who do not believe in God, this may still be misunderstood, and I don't know how to explain it better, but it is out of context the way that you are reporting it.

This explains her quote a bit better...from an interview of her, talking about this remark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPwgJ2L2qvI

"Let us not pray that God is on our side, in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side" - Abraham Lincoln

This is what her previous quote was meaning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQluy7nymw&NR=1

Just came across this guy.  Check out some of his videos.  I think he hits the nail right on the head.

four posts in a row....who are you trying to convince?   the neo con republicans are nuts....just like the neo liberals are nuts.  the only diff is that the neo cons spend trillions of our money and get tens of thousands of people killed.  if this bible thumping god is great crap works why does she have a kid doing the premarital sex thing and then a "bastard(their terms not mine) child out of wedlock.   wedlock hahaha is that like pad lock   i think she is a nut bag....but many americans are stupid and will buy the blink blink soccer mom thing.  hopefully they won't but i do not have a lot of faith in the american people.

If your opinion of America and Americans is so low, why don't you renounce your U.S. citizenship and stay in Canada?

sorry if i sound that way...i am a proud American and fought well as an officer in our armed forces, i have the medals and wounds as proof.    so what have u done lately?  i also have been elected and in office so i know first hand what the public can and is like.   i guess living out of the country and out of the continent gives me a perspective that the average American may not have.   hope that helps answer your questions.    oh pkhoff, what have you done for your country lately?  been in the armed forces?  run for office? volunteered? anything like that.  i don't mean to be in your face or anything i am just trying to know more about you that's all   i try to be nice when possible

frankie

"We're gonna make it a chocalate city......"

Ray Nagin

Never underestimate the power of the welfare have nots at election time, socialism is the wave of the future, I want to pay more taxes so we can have universal health care coverage for all the poor indigents who don't work..... A health care system administered by politicians we can't trust... on either side.

Bigger and more Government that will solve all of our problems, the federal government wil fix everything wrong with our lives, we won't abandon pooor hurricane victims like the Bush administration did in 2005, we will selflessly pay any amount to fix those houses back up and move them back in next time... Instead of tearing down the blighted abandoned neighbor hoods like they are doing right now.

Socialism is just a step away then we can all be happy productive members of the collective working to better everyone elses life selflessly abandoning our personal goals and dreams so we can all be equally miserable. Government knows best how to spend my money why would I need it.

Barrack the vote I say then we can all be financially equal no more fantastically wealthy self made billionaires like Bill Gates we won't need to aspire to better our individul lives we can instead revel in the glory of being equal to the lowest common denominator in society.

I have a solution for all.  WEED!  Just think about it for a second.  (and no, I'm not a pot head)

Until the 1930's, weed was used in many many different applications.  The first American flags were made from hemp, the original Levi Jeans were made from hemp.  All canvas (cannabis - get it) was made from hemp.  Almost all rope was made from hemp.  Paper is made quicker and cheaper with hemp, and 1 acre of weed makes 4 times more paper than 1 acre of trees, plus, that acre will grow again for harvesting the next year.  It would help convert the CO2 from exhaust, back into oxygen.  It also makes bio fuel a lot more efficiently than any other crop, including corn and sugar.  Plus it grows faster, so more fuel could be made.

Did you know that weed has no ill toxic effects?  Experts estimate that you'd have to smoke 15,000 pounds of weed within 15 minutes to die from it.  So, no one has ever died from directly smoking.  As opposed to alcohal which  100,000's of people die each year from drinking.  Being governed how alcohol is for use (like minimum of 21 to use, can't smoke and drive, no smoking in public, etc, etc).  Now, if the government taxed marijuana cigarette purchases like they do tobacco, then the national debt would diminish.

Now, do you know why a crop that did so much, and that even our founding father's smoked, was made illegal in the 1930's?  Because there was a new invention to harvest the crop more efficiently, that was covered in a Popular Mechanics issue.  The paper companies were afraid that they'd go out of business, because weed is so much better for making paper, so they pressured the government to make it illegal or they'd pull their money and support from the politicians.

Just some food for thought...

LOLing at the weed, you sound like a liberatarian

Quote from: frankieG on September 17, 2008, 07:37:52 AM
oh pkhoff, what have you done for your country lately?  been in the armed forces?  run for office? volunteered? anything like that.

frankie

Hey Frankie, you support ghey marriage right?  When was the last time you were in a ghey relationship?

You don't have to be involved in something to support it.  Lay of pkhoff, you are just trying to attack him, because you don't have any other defense.  You were doing the same thing to me a few posts back, and it's really shows that you've got nothing on your side.

And I'm sorry, but I work for myself.  If I had extra time and money, then I would volunteer, but all I've got the time for right now, is to donate to goodwill every once in a while. 

QuoteLOLing at the weed, you sound like a liberatarian Thumbsup

I said earlier in the thread that I probably am a Libertarian.  Registered a Republican, but Side more with Libertarians.  Once they have the chance of winning an election, I'll probably vote that way.

Anyways, it's all true about weed.  That's one thing that Bush has done that's been bad...upping the war on drugs.  That's needless spending, especially for small time things like weed, that shouldn't even be considered a drug.  I could see things like Heroin, and dangerous things that are overdosed on on a regular basis, but even then, if people want to do that do themselves, that's there prerogative.

Don't get me started on the war on drugs. Legalize it tax it regulate it and sell it. Treatment for dependancy issues would cost less than inmate housing, interdiction and sting operations that we are spending now, it would also generate revenue and remove the criminal element from manufacture, transport and distribution. It would clear thousands of cases off of an already overloaded courts system at ther state and federal level. Not to mention decreasing the price of drugs.

Go figure, yeah I'm libretarian, I have some hard line conservative views but drugs ain't one of them.

Quote from: bettingpython on September 17, 2008, 09:54:53 AM
Don't get me started on the war on drugs. Legalize it tax it regulate it and sell it. Treatment for dependancy issues would cost less than inmate housing, interdiction and sting operations that we are spending now, it would also generate revenue and remove the criminal element from manufacture, transport and distribution. It would clear thousands of cases off of an already overloaded courts system at ther state and federal level. Not to mention decreasing the price of drugs.

Go figure, yeah I'm libretarian, I have some hard line conservative views but drugs ain't one of them.

Exactly.  Not to mention, gangs would decrease because drugs are what drives them to what they are.  Which then means that violent crimes decrease, and crimes in general decrease.

well tobacco and alcohol are legal.  i am not sure about making coke, meth and heroin...i guess i just have not considered it enough to form an opinion.    many people have opinions on things they have not experienced.  but unless you have experienced it for yourself you are only guessing at best.  leave the important stuff to those of us who are in the know. 

sorry if it seemed like i was attacking anyone...that was not my intent.

Yes I know what I am talking about when it comes to drugs, I didn't like pot, but as you have pointed out there's other drugs and I liked going fast. That's as much as I'm going to say about my past history.

Frankie, thank you for your service to our country. I am not a veteran, but every one of you that has served in the uniform of our country deserves our respect and thanks.

I do volunteer a small amount when I am able, help prepare and serve Thanksgiving dinners at the senior citizen center in my town, kids softball and baseball stuff.

I love my country and it bothers me to hear it bashed. I know we are not perfect, but who is? The majority of the people I know are good folks, some are misguided, in my opinion, but most are not intentionally bad people.

Back on subject a little bit...

Liberals complain that the cost of the war is one of the biggest reasons to pull out because of the great impact on our economy.  However, The cost of the war (fought to secure our freedom), is around 12 billion a month.  Now, the cost of Welfare in our country (which has only cause the lower class to get stuck in the lower class, and caused a perpetuating lower class over generations, instead of working hard and making a living to support themselves), costs around 24.5 billion a month.  Medicare (which is abused with vasts amount of fraud, and given to people that shouldn't even receive it) costs around 32.88 billion a month, and Medicaid (refer to above) costs around 23.03 billion per month.

Now if these programs were cut, or at least strictly run, so that only people that deserved (yeah right) it would receive it, then our national budget would be a lot better.

Freedom has a price.  Remember the revolutionary war, the civil war, world war 1, and 2, etc, etc?  These are necessary things to be where we are at in this world today.  12 billion a month to fight a war for our freedom and security seems like a small price to pay...especially compared to all the economic waste that this country has. (oh, which by the way, was helped along by Obama in Chicago, when he voted against any reform from the corruption there) 

A while back in this thread, someone had said to me, why I call myself Christian, but I don't believe in helping people.

It's not that I don't want to, or don't believe in helping people.  It's that I don't feel it right to help those who do not help themselves.

In 2 Thessalonians Chapter 3 verse 10, it says  "...if anyone was unwilling to work, neither should that one eat."

Now, a big concern that the Liberals bring up is, 'that it's inhumane to let people starve'.  Ok, I'll give you that (however, I still think they should work for their bread), but it's not that welfare is helping these people eat.  One of the biggest medical problems amongst Welfare recipients is Obesity.  They are over eating.  Most of them also have a roof over their head (many of which even own their own home), have a car or two, have television (many with cable), laundry and dryer, computers, and many other amenities.

If welfare were treated as a means to get people up off the ground and put a roof over their head and food in their mouths so that they can then go out and find a job, then that would be fine, but to give them an abundance of things, some of which I don't even have, is an atrocity.

This is why.

please tell me you did not put the war in iraq on the same page as ww1 or 2?  iraq was completely avoidable with no legal justification.   enough on that.

i agree that you should work for your bread.  is it humane to let people starve?  well is it humane to tell people that birth control is immoral then let them have children that they can't feed let alone themselves?  i never have nor will i ever give a dime to those organizations until a sustainable birth control plan is in place.  and i don't mean abortion.   many people on welfare can not get out to work for various reasons.  anything from the inability to affordable day care to medical problems or drug addiction.  then there are those who are just too f%$king lazy.  i have seen them.  men mostly.  who live with their baby mama or another woman on welfare in the projects.  they collect welfare along with the women and are happy sitting on their ass's collecting their check and food stamps.  they work under the table or steal or deal in drugs.  you can find them on myspace or facebook hamming it up for the camera ...drunk or stoned.   i have experienced this because i have distant cousins who live just how i described.  i will use their first names since the last names are not mine.  angie is 25 and has 4 kids with 4 different men.  she lives in welfare housing.  she has a computer, tv with cable, digital camera.  they do on day trips, picnics, have parties and all kinds of fun.   she used to work under the table at a bar as a waitress and doing boobie shots.  this is where guys get their dink off her fun bags.  ewww cuz she is scanky.   she posted on facebook about the 4 baby daddies not paying support or coming to see their children.  that is quite a high horse for a 25 year old on welfare with 4 kids all with different fathers.  but she knows no better.   she did not make it past grade 8 like her father.  now angies brother is jeremy, he lives two units down from her in the welfare projects.  he is living with a fat cow that is on welfare and has 3 kids.  no one knows who the father(s) are.  but they are not jeremies.   he is 27 and seems to be having a great time being on welfare and living in welfare housing.  taking digital pics of parties and having pics of himself with his tongue sticking out and the devil horn sign up on his fingers.   he went to grade 7 i believe.  he is a bum.   their parents are bums.  their father dwight is an alcoholic who did not make it out of grammar school.  their mother is a nice lady but has serious mental illness issues and has been on welfare for decades.  her name is linda and she is the only one of this bunch that truly needs welfare.  her mental illness is such that she can not work and if off her meds she would be dead before long.   the father of this merry crew lives a few states away in a large city.  his grade 6 edumikation allowed him to work as a cook and now a building super.  as far as i know he has never been on welfare.

OK back on track.   

republicans don't want or have a free market society they have a corporate welfare society.   they do not want to give the taxpayer money or breaks.  they want everyone to take care of themselves with minimal government intervention.   they will not give the average Joe any money but they will give billions to bail out large corporations that were so greedy that they made bad business decisions and now are in trouble.

we don't see republicans helping out the American taxpayer who is losing his home because the rates are all funky.   they don't offer incentives to keep gas prices low.  the gas prices are up because, in part, of the war in Iraq which was unnecessary and supposed to allow the flow of oil to continue uninterrupted.   

republicans in their fantasy world offer less taxes,  smaller government, stability, a chicken in every pot, family values......yada yada yads

republicans are responsible for a deficit impossible to repay, larger government with bail out for big business,  world instability,  no chicken in the pot but you can use Chinese imported deboned chicken "parts"  with sauce made from tainted milk products,  family values that include lesbian daughters,  premarital sex, out of wedlock births,  log cabin republicans and more war fear followed by more fear and more wars.

Democrats, while not perfect,  bring reason and honesty to government.  not all the time but really what does Monica lewinsky compare to the war in Iraq, a commander in chief the does coke(hey i can say that)  goes AWOL, is just plain stupid.  other republican leaders that tape and lie to the FBI, justice department and congress.   a BJ in the white house is nothing compared to republican presidents.   

this administration which john McCain supports and would be term 3 tortures people.   goes to war and a lie.  will bail out big business to the tune of billions of dollars.  will let middle and lower class Americans drown in debt and high prices. 

for goodness sake vote democrat and let this come to an end.