And dear god let us not forget about Biden claiming "FDR got on the TV to calm American fears when the stock market crashed in '29"   Seriously,  WTGDF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, saw that.  McCain must not feel ready and doesn't plan to appear at the debate he agreed to do.

If Bush could debate Kerry when we were at war, surely McCain can debate Obama as scheduled, especially since the debate will happen at a time when the Senate will not be in session (Friday night).

His REAL motivation may lie in his counter-proposal -- he wants to move this debate to the date originally scheduled for the VP debate, moving it to some later date.  Can't imagine why.....  I think he's leaning toward Nov. 5 for the VP debate.  

FDR did make his famous "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" statement during his first inaugural address in 1932, in the depths of the depression.  Not 1929, but certainly in the aftermath of 1929.

And I think he does actually know where Spain is...

I'm not really sure which would be worse at a VP debate, Biden is apparently going for a world record in sticking his foot in his mouth.

Quote from: trumpetguy on September 24, 2008, 10:11:27 PM
Yeah, saw that.  McCain must not feel ready and doesn't plan to appear at the debate he agreed to do.

If Bush could debate Kerry when we were at war, surely McCain can debate Obama as scheduled, especially since the debate will happen at a time when the Senate will not be in session (Friday night).

His REAL motivation may lie in his counter-proposal -- he wants to move this debate to the date originally scheduled for the VP debate, moving it to some later date.  Can't imagine why.....  I think he's leaning toward Nov. 5 for the VP debate.  

ACTUALLY TG no. Mccain, is UNLIKE obama, a senator. and there being a more pressing matter than a debate,  ( such as hammering out that 700b bailout package. hell Obamas never been a senator. most of the time hes been in senate, hes been running for president. dont believe me?, look at his voting record.i knoew you TG would hammer Mcain liek every otehr liberal, out there. a debate can wait. obama, doesnt want to do HIS JOB. which ATM is senator. which this 700b pkg is part of, and sposed to be going through

Oh and another thing. im beginning to doubt Obamas christianity. , which is not really relevant. but that recent interview, when he mentioned his muslim faith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M or did he not have another teleprompter breakdown?

I don't want to talk about 700Billion being used in one of the most over reaching expansions of the fed's powers in a long time, F'in POS lenders, thanks you dicks. This was wrong of Bush so absolutely very wrong. This bailout is equal to  $2K per year from every taxpayer in the US to prop up failed private industry. If I open a taco stand and can't speak spanish so the mexicans all go to Jose's cart down the street should the federal government bail me out when I can't afford to pay for my equipment?

The answer is no, I don't care about it's effects on this economy, this was stupid, fire up the presses print another 700 billion. Trash the value of the dollar and increase inflation because we are trying to fix a private industry that wasn't working?

McCain needs to get his ass to the debates, douchebag.

BTW half of the peopel resposible for fannie and freddie are OBAMAS economic advisors. and the housing issues were put in place BY CLINTON.

OBAMA made more from them thenanyone else, IN A SHORTER TIME. so quit with teh f%$king name calling . this bail out or somehting needs to happen, or we ARE in deep shaZam!. teh debate can wait a day or two. hell if theliberals could walk out on a senate session, without a drill vote, a debate can wait. the economy can not. i dont want a 700b tab either. something needs to be done though. like say, if you are dumb enough to buy a house you cannot afford. well heres an idea. 1, convert teh adj rates to fixed, say 6-7%, and extend terms for an additional 10 years. if you still cannot afford the house, then you neednt be in it to begin wiht. and need to find housing elsewhere.

There are some people that need to be punished for this. Harshly. I want all their assets seized, locked down, and frozen for the next 40 years and their positions taken away so that we never have to worry about them again in the financial sector. Leave them stripped naked, standing in the streets with brown paper bag and money for a cab to the unemployment office. No home to go back to.
Physical punishment is in order as well. Of course this will not do any good whatsoever unless their replacements witness it all.
The "replacements" need to be told that the same damn thing will happen to them swiftly. And.........we need to "follow up", watch the replacments and "keep our word". I realize that this posting is just a fantasy. The citizenry just doesn't have the balls to do these types of things anymore. Bring back the Vigilantes.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,425586,00.html  yes fox. lol but you wont find this on teh 99%  liberal networks, aka everyone else

Quote from: bettingpython on September 25, 2008, 03:56:36 AM


McCain needs to get his ass to the debates, douchebag.

see there was no need for that. 

Look McCain is already on record and has tried before to pass legislation that would have regulated housing lending practices, he saw this coming but he couldn't get support to nip this issue in the bud, this is just grandsatnding, and he got shot down, now he can say I told you so. And friday's debate is on foreign policy not on financial policy. Thus he needs to be at the debate. I don't like McCain, he is the lesser of 2 evils, once again thats what electing a leader comes down to. At least he took a substantiative stance on this issue saw it coming down the pike tried to fix it and got shot down.

How many senators had a large chunk of their personal money tied up in Lehman brothers? Don't know the answer well I do. 56 of them, 56 out of 100 senators would have taken a substantial financial hit to their persoanl wealth levels, now you know why they got bailed out.

I'm still voting for the guy because he tried to reform lending the proper way in the past, but if you don't know where your money is invested maybe you should take a really big interest in it and get out now while you can. We are looking at a market crash and it's gonna be a doozy even with a federal bailout of investment houses.

Welcome to the USSR of America.

Get your guns ready because theres gonna be lawlessness and a revolution. The time is coming where your going to have to fight to protect what is yours folks, either that or we can all be sheeple and let government control our lives. McCain should keep his nose out of this one.   

http://www.newslinkstoday.com/mccain-proposed-regulatory-reform-for-lending-in-2005-predicted-fannie-mae-and-fanie-mac-failures-but-congress-refused-to-act/

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/johnmccainontheissues/a/McCainLenders.htm

Now your going to ask yourself how would home lending reform have fixed this?

OK lemme explain a small piece of the mortgage lending market.

You want to buy a home your credits not so good, you don't have great fiancials so you get what is called B or C paper notes on your loan, these are higher interest high risk loans. The intent of these loans is for people to better themselves by having stability and get them refinanced in an A paper conventional or FHA loan 2 to 5 years down the road.

Instead of keeping and servicing these B and C paper loans, because it exposes them to risk if you don't make your payments and repossesion is a hassle mortgae lenders take 20 or more of them put them together in a bundle and sell them to an investment house, your loan is now no longer a loan it is an investment package. Your servicer becomes an investment house entity that bought the package based upon potential profit returns of the large interest rate. If just 2 people in the package default on their lons then the entire package of 20 becomes a lability and the firm loses money.

I took a B paper loan to buy my house, refi'd this year to a fixed rate FHA A paper loan and by paying off my loan early they had to break it out from the original package and now are not getting the interest they would have so the package profit has substantially decreased and now 1 person not paying their loan on time could cause the whole bundle to fail.

Making these loans and selling them is profitable to the mortgage oriignator, their business is making maoney and thus their exec's get big perfromance based bonuses.

These loans were being made to people based upon their current fianncial status only not based upon past performance and future potential many peoplle in the rush to buy a home were given loans that they could not afford 5 years down the line.

I do not have time to respond at this moment, but I did want to say that my opinion on the UN and NATO has nothing to do with why I support Obama.  It is why I think Ron Paul and the Libritarians are idiots. 

Also, I dont believe the Senate wants McCain's help and he does seem to be advoiding the debate. 

Bush last night:  If you don't give me a bunch of money that no one has to fix my mistakes, then we are all doomed!!!

Bush should have said last night:  I F@$#& up and I really need you to fully bankrupt the country by bailing me out!!  BTW, you may want to quit voting for religious or military reasons and start voting with a bit of common sense.  Else, you will be F@%#$% even more!!

Thanks Revere2

Quote from: trumpetguy on September 24, 2008, 08:52:11 PM
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi

Hhmmm Jedi, sinned has everyone.  Find Christ must we.

Christians are, like you've always said, hypocrites, liars, adulterers, drug users, murderers, and anything else that you can through their way.  The only difference is, they have found Christ, repented their sins, and He has forgiven them of their sins.  That doesn't mean that these people won't ever sin again.  It just means that Christ will forgive them of their sins again.  To be Christian, means to live in God's image.  This is impossible, but it's what we strive for.

Quote from: quiktaco on September 24, 2008, 04:33:45 PM
It seems that no one is talking about Obama's ties with Odinga, the radical Communist who was running for the Kenyan presidency this last year.  Odinga is Obama's biological cousin (which Obama does not denounce).  (Obama Sr. is Odinga's Uncle).  Either way, Obama is a supporter of Odinga.

When Odinga lost the election in Kenya, he claimed that the voting was rigged, and that started riots in the streets, resulting in over 600 dead, and many Christian Churches burned to the ground.

Odinga sounds like he is cut from the same cloth as Obama.  Same platform.  This is what I am afraid of.  Obama is openly supporting this man, and if these are his views (which they are), then he will do the same in this country. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ

BTW, Technically, if your father is Muslim, then you are automatically Muslim.  It doesn't mean that he has not left the Muslim faith, or ever agreed with it.  However, if this is so, then he would be marked for death by the Muslim community, because he committed the worst offense...leaving Islam.  And under Sharia Law (which Odinga supports), Obama would be put to death.

Is everyone avoiding this topic?  This seems huge to me.  He is a supporter of a Communist Extremist, who also happens to be his cousin.  A supporter of Sharia Law, Muslim Sympathizers, Riot initiator.  OBAMA SUPPORTS HIM!!!

Quote from: Cal76 on September 25, 2008, 07:42:10 AM
I do not have time to respond at this moment, but I did want to say that my opinion on the UN and NATO has nothing to do with why I support Obama.  It is why I think Ron Paul and the Libritarians are idiots.

Read the whole article.  It's a good read.
Article from... http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/Articles/Prager-2004-04-20.asp (I pulled out some key points)

Israel has killed Abdel Aziz Rantisi, the Hamas terror leader, and almost every nation in the world – and the nations' theoretical embodiment, the United Nations – have condemned Israel for doing so.

World leaders and the world organization have said almost nothing about Communist China's ongoing destruction of one of the world's oldest civilizations, Tibet. World leaders have said almost nothing about the Arab enslavement and genocide of non-Arab blacks in Sudan. But they convene world conferences to label Israel, one of the most humane and decent democracies on earth, a pariah.

I have contempt for the United Nations. It is one of the great obstacles to goodness and decency on this planet. Its moral record – outside of a few specialized agencies such as the World Health Organization – is almost entirely supportive of evil and condemnatory of good. It is dominated by the most morally backward governments in the world – those from the Arab and Muslim worlds, the communists during their heyday and African despots.

These are the reasons why the US hasn't been a part of these evil organizations.

Quote from: quiktaco on September 24, 2008, 05:29:07 PM
Supporters of Obama/Biden...
• gheys

not all of us.

Quote from: CanukGS500 on September 25, 2008, 09:25:21 AM

Quote from: quiktaco on September 24, 2008, 05:29:07 PM
Supporters of Obama/Biden...
• gheys

not all of us.

I'm glad to here that.

well there was a pretty good article in "The Republic" i think it was durign the time hillary was still in contention for the democratic nomination.

Basically, the article said that the democratic party is the "part of the persecuted" and by putting up a black person (sorry, but he's BLACK, not this "African American" bullshit.  unless he was BORN IN AFRICA, came here and got naturalized, he's fuckin black, period, end of story, but i digress...) against a woman splits the party because they cant decide which group has been persecuted more, and neither side can say "you dont know what its like to be persecuted".

The sentiment seems to run throughout those who affiliate with the democratic party.  Instead of being a member of the party because they believe on the whole in their ideology, they have given themselves a case of "tunnel vision" and vote for them simply because they want to end the persecution of blacks/jews/gays/immigrants/insert-your-favorite-persecuted-group-here.

Do I think Obama has a better shot at giving gays secular equality versus McCain?  Probably.  But at the same time, Obama's voting record on partial birth abortions scares the sh*t out of me.  To Cliff's Notes™ his position, he feels that if a doctor botches a partial birth abortion and the baby survives and is crying and able to breathe and survive on its own, its okay to still kill it.

Regardless of where you stand on the abortion issue, I think any sane person would agree that once a baby is born if it is able to survive on its own its a person and has the same human rights as everyone else.

Hence, even though I dont think McCain is a good choice for president, someone who condones murder like Obama is no choice at all, and I wont compromise my principles to get what I want (secular ghey equality) at the expense of another human life.

Some lines you just don't cross nomatter how much you want something.