With every post, quiktaco, we learn more about your arrogance and bigotry.

As I said, your approval is not required for someone to BE a Christian.  You don't have to agree that they are Christian.  What you say does not matter one bit in that regard.

I'm not trying to "shake your faith."  I would not presume to try to do that.  It's your business.  Until you want to make laws with it that affect me.   Then it's my business (and then it conflicts with the US Constitution).

And I do like satin.  It makes really nice sheets.

ROFL TG, least youre trying to make humour of this. lol. see no one knows of a persons christianity besides 2 people. 1. that person, and 2. christ 

as the good book says, " judge not, lest ye be judged"

guys be nice. we can debate without name calling or hurting each other feelings.  i will be posting my prediction for the race shortly....then the debate will be over lol...cuz i know who is going to win and pretty sure by how much

remember this is a board of friends and we don't need to be flaming or tossing turds at each other.

Quote from: frankieG on September 30, 2008, 07:24:59 AM

remember this is a board of friends and we don't need to be flaming or tossing turds at each other.

except in TF

yes but we are not there...beside i already know who is going to win and by how much...i just have not posted it yet. 

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on September 29, 2008, 07:39:19 PM
er its satan. weird thing is, ask kerry here, a mormon btw. i asked him in a roundabout way, after a religion flame war we had heere a few years back, the gis of the quesiton is/was what book does his church/religion preach/teach from, to which he replied the KJV. as well as somethign called teh book of mormon.

That's true.  They do teach out of the King James Version of the Bible.  However, the books written by Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism...The Book of Mormon, and The Book of Abraham, are false books.  The Book of Abraham has been proven to be false.  The Book of Mormon has so many inaccuracies, and has been manipulated over 2000+ times over the years.

Joseph Smith was proven to be a false profit when the papyri that he wrote the book of Abraham were found and determined to be nothing more than Egyptian burial drawings.  The book of Mormon was never proven to be false directly, however indirectly it was.  Some men who were testing Joseph Smith made some fake stones, and started to have him translate what they said.  He died before he could translate these false tablets.  However, in a notebook that was being written in by his assistant (secretary like guy), he had started to translate the meaning of them.  The church claims that this translation in the notebook was not by Joseph.  That's how they get around that one.  I don't know how they explain away The Book of Abraham drama.

The fact that Mormons teach from these books along with the Bible, is where they are wrong.  They also believe in the celestial kingdom (a kind of heaven), but there, they are able to become gods, and rule over a world, like God rules over this world.  They also believe that Lucifer and Jesus were celestial brothers.  Lucifer was an angel, and Jesus is God in flesh.

I don't have anything against Mormons.  They are some of the most kind, loving, and wonderful people.  However, they are being led astray by a corrupt church.  They have so many measures to try to keep people with the church that it becomes scary.  Also, if it weren't for the fact that they are a church, they'd be part of the fortune 500 because they bring in so much profit every year.

Something that has been corrupted over the years, is the fact that Joseph Smith and his other founding friends all drank, had many many many wives, and were very poor examples of what the church stands for today.  The LSD Church is following someone that is a fraud.  Plain and simple.

QuoteWith every post, quiktaco, we learn more about your arrogance and bigotry.

As I said, your approval is not required for someone to BE a Christian.  You don't have to agree that they are Christian.  What you say does not matter one bit in that regard.

I'm not trying to "shake your faith."  I would not presume to try to do that.  It's your business.  Until you want to make laws with it that affect me.   Then it's my business (and then it conflicts with the US Constitution).

And I do like satin.  It makes really nice sheets.

What Obama has portrayed himself to believe is what I'm basing my comments on.  I already said this.  If he truly is a real Christian, then that is great.

You have nothing of substance to discount this other than saying it's between him and God, so you attack me.  That's what you've done throughout this thread.  Whenever you have nothing, you just start attacking.

No attacks.  Just facts.

Bigots prejudge others based on external attributes or religion.  Bingo.

Arrogance is believing that only YOU, or those who think like you, have the answers.  Bingo yet again.

Nothing personal.  I'm just not buying the crap you're selling, QT.  That's all.

one of the problem s with elections is that religion tends to find its way into american elections.  this is one of the main reasons why i have remained a canadian candidate and have never ran for office in the US.  religion has no place in public policy or elections.  lets not forget the harm religion has done.  be it Christian, Jew, Muslim or what have you.  it has no place in the world of men.

Quote from: trumpetguy on September 30, 2008, 09:14:47 AM
No attacks.  Just facts.

Bigots prejudge others based on external attributes or religion.  Bingo.

Arrogance is believing that only YOU, or those who think like you, have the answers.  Bingo yet again.

Nothing personal.  I'm just not buying the crap you're selling, QT.  That's all.

I think that we all need to judge this man based on anything and everything we can.  He's going to probably be our next president.  He's there to be judged, and I can judge him on anything and everything I want because he is going to be MY president.  If that makes me a bigot, then fine.  I will always judge the candidates for president like this, and everyone else should too.  Leaving out parts of peoples life is very ignorant.  What if he was imprisoned at one time...a felon?  Would you leave that attribute out, because that was in his past, and those things shouldn't be judged?  His religion that he displayed for over 20+ years, is one of racism, marxism, a black god, and a black jesus (jesus was a jew...there's no getting around that).  These principles that he invested 2 decades learning and practicing should be the root of  his judgment to be president.  I don't want a racist president.  I don't want marxism in this country.  I would prefer to have someone who believes what I believe, but that's not needed if they would be a good president in all other aspects.  These are my thoughts of this man, and I don't want him in the white house.

I never said that 'I' have the answers.  I believe that my faith is correct based on what I've learned throughout my life, and what has been proven throughout the bible throughout history.  This is a debate for opinions and whatnot, so sharing my opinions shouldn't deserve me being called a bigot.  That is uncalled for and you should really watch what you are saying, and how you are treating others on this board.

If you don't want to believe the Word of God, then that's fine.  Not everyone will be saved.

personally i do not believe in a hell.  if there were i would take over and kick the devil out

I hope you are joking Frankie.
From what I have read you don't want to be there.

Quote from: frankieG on September 30, 2008, 09:22:11 AM
one of the problem s with elections is that religion tends to find its way into american elections.  this is one of the main reasons why i have remained a canadian candidate and have never ran for office in the US.  religion has no place in public policy or elections.  lets not forget the harm religion has done.  be it Christian, Jew, Muslim or what have you.  it has no place in the world of men.

Religion is the center of most peoples lives, and it tells what moral fiber the person is weaved from.  It's a good indication of how that person would act or deal with certain situations.  A mormon, although not my faith, would probably be a very good person to be in the white house.  They have very good morals.  A muslim extremist would be bad to be in the white house, because they would want to kill all of America.  (no I'm not calling Obama a muslim extremist.).  A Black Liberation Theologist would not be, based on the hatred of white people, and the extreme socialistic views of how a country should be controlled/run.

Religion is something that demonstrates who the person is.  That is why it is so important to look at this, because you'll know the kind of person that is going to be running the country.

If Obama were a muslim extremist (who's religion wants to destroy American's and Israeli's) then would it be out of the discussion as well?  It's very ignorant to leave something with such importance out.

i have no fear of hell.  i have been here, fought my way out and if need be will do it again.  honesty religion is the center of life for those who need to grasp onto the hope that life will be better.  i am not one of those.  having said that i can also say there are no atheist in a firefight.   i do not wish to change the opinion of those who choose to believe in a god, a messiah or what have you.  if they are happy then so be it.  but i am not one of those.  my money is my own and i give it to no church.  how i live my life is my choosing and nothing to do with a higher power or anything else. if something good happens well great it happened. if something bad happens then the same  applies.  guys like me u want on your side on this earth when everything goes to shaZam!.  other than that i have no belief.  it is a terrible thing believing that once you are dead you are dead and that is that.  i wish i could say i believe otherwise but i cannot in good conscience say so.  like all other animals on this planet we breath, eat, breed and die.  and like all other animals once dead we are gone.  i wish that it were not true, in my own mind. but i can not say so.

Quote from: frankieG on September 30, 2008, 09:33:08 AM
personally i do not believe in a hell.  if there were i would take over and kick the devil out

'Hell', as a lot of people see it is false.  No one can 'take over', there is no 'fun' having sex with whomever and doing all that is sin on Earth.  It's not a big party with drinking and hot girls and night clubs.

Hell is the worst possible thing in your imagination.  The blackness is so dark, that even blind people will say 'daaammmnnnnn!'   There is no light without the Lord.  No light means no light.  No shadow to kinda make something out, no anything.  Complete blackness.  The only sounds you here are "weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 8:12; 22:13)  There is no one else around to give company or companionship.  Hell has a "lake of fire" and "burning sulphur" where the reprobate will be "tormented day and night for ever and ever"(eg. Revelation 20:10).  There is complete frustration and emptiness of life without God.

Those damned to hell are without hope.  Hell is the logical consequence of man's soul using its free will to reject the will of God.  It is considered compatible with God's justice and mercy because God will not interfere with the soul's free choice.

Quotei have no fear of hell.  i have been here, fought my way out and if need be will do it again.  honesty religion is the center of life for those who need to grasp onto the hope that life will be better.  i am not one of those.  having said that i can also say there are no atheist in a firefight.   i do not wish to change the opinion of those who choose to believe in a god, a messiah or what have you.  if they are happy then so be it.  but i am not one of those.  my money is my own and i give it to no church.  how i live my life is my choosing and nothing to do with a higher power or anything else. if something good happens well great it happened. if something bad happens then the same  applies.  guys like me u want on your side on this earth when everything goes to shaZam!.  other than that i have no belief.  it is a terrible thing believing that once you are dead you are dead and that is that.  i wish i could say i believe otherwise but i cannot in good conscience say so.  like all other animals on this planet we breath, eat, breed and die.  and like all other animals once dead we are gone.  i wish that it were not true, in my own mind. but i can not say so.

There is a difference between humans and other animals.  We were made in God's image, and given this world during our life.  The animals on this Earth are there for us to eat and use their bodies, and to have additional companionship with, and to use for work.

Religion isn't the center because we need to grasp onto the hope that life will be better.  Religion is the center because we have accepted Christ as our savior, and we know that this life can't be better.  But we do know that the life with God will be perfect.  Life with God in your heart while on this Earth will get you through this life a lot better than a life without, but it's not that which we strive for, it's a better eternity after this life.

I've noticed something during this thread.  Obama supporters do not have God in their hearts.  I don't think a single one does.  That kinda makes since though.  Without the Lord, these people don't really see that Obama is not a good person.  They have been corrupted with what is right and what is wrong.

God wrote on our hearts as instinct, what is right and what is wrong.  During this life, that can be corrupted and one no longer knows the difference.  They only know what is accepted amongst the world.  What others say is right and wrong.

If the corrupted people really look at something, then they'll see through what the world says to what they really know is right and wrong.

All this blaming the Republicans for the financial crisis going on right now.  Guess who's really to blame...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

Oh, and what's with this Congressional 'Black' Caucus?  If that's not racism at it's finest, I don't know what is.  If there's no Congressional 'White' Caucus, then there shouldn't be a 'Black' one.

(I'm not racist in the least, I just don't get why there's special treatment when it's supposed to be 'equal'.  God made all men, Black, White, Jew, Mexican, Asian, whatever.  He made all of us in his image, we are no different.  Only our cultures which shaped us.)

You dont need to have Gd in your heart to avoid voting for Obama, you simply need to have morals.

I wrote another post elsewhere that discussed Obama's position on partial birth abortions- if the abortion is botched and the baby is born and is crying and can survive on its own because its 32+ weeks old, its still okay to kill it.

I dont care where you are on the abortion debate.  There's a word killing a baby that can survivie on its own after birth:  MURDER.

You don't need Gd to see that.

Quote from: CanukGS500 on September 30, 2008, 11:44:41 AM
You dont need to have Gd in your heart to avoid voting for Obama, you simply need to have morals.

I wrote another post elsewhere that discussed Obama's position on partial birth abortions- if the abortion is botched and the baby is born and is crying and can survive on its own because its 32+ weeks old, its still okay to kill it.

I dont care where you are on the abortion debate.  There's a word killing a baby that can survivie on its own after birth:  MURDER.

You don't need Gd to see that.

Yeah, that topic was pretty much passed by a long time ago in this thread.  It's like no one even thought about this with a logical mindset.

if people approached candidates with a logical mindset (and with the memory of something more than a dead bush), W wouldnt have gotten his 2nd term in office, and probably his first.

I'm voting for SARAH PALIN. The " IRON LADY II " !!

She has more in common with "real people" than "all the others". McCain has some very good qualities but I disagree with him and the Repubs mega-strongly on the immigration issues  (and Liberal Socialist Democrats too).