Quote from: quiktaco on October 08, 2008, 12:28:25 PM
Guns don't kill people, People do.

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Quote from: quiktaco on October 08, 2008, 12:11:45 PM

QuoteBut a person making 20K spends most of that to get by -- rent, food, etc.  They don't have much extra.  A person making 100K has 80K over and above basic needs.

I don't see where you're getting your numbers.  My wife and I make around 80k per year, and we are living paycheck to paycheck.  We live in a crappy place, in a crappy city, and don't live high and mighty.  I'm riding my bike everyday to save on gas, so that we have enough money to buy food and diapers for my daughter.  If I didn't, I don't think we could afford it.
There is no way that we are making 60k over what we need for essentials.  We living in Southern California, so it's a ton more expensive to live here than most other places in the country.

I have worked very hard to be able to make what I do, and even though it's not that much, it is getting us by, but to say that we have a major surplus, that's just stupid.

There ARE people making 20K a year and paying for everything, but maybe not in SoCal.  I'm not saying YOU have a surplus.  My stepson, his wife and my grandson live in San Diego.  I'm familiar with the cost of living there -- ridiculous.

My point is that at some point you will have more than basic necessities and one should be taxed on THAT amount, not on your entire income.  Most flat-tax proposals have this exception built in.

Nooo.... with gene coded firing in the gun, the fear that the kids will find it and play with it is gone ... and criminals will know many more people will now have gund cos they are safer ...
The criminals will ahve guns, but soon, cannot get bullets for them ... we'll only sell the DNA coded guns and bullets.
Yea yea its hard ... we have to make weird sized ... like a .37 or .36, and a .21 not a .22 and whatever.
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Buddha.

Quote from: trumpetguy on October 08, 2008, 12:44:31 PM

Quote from: quiktaco on October 08, 2008, 12:11:45 PM

QuoteBut a person making 20K spends most of that to get by -- rent, food, etc.  They don't have much extra.  A person making 100K has 80K over and above basic needs.

I don't see where you're getting your numbers.  My wife and I make around 80k per year, and we are living paycheck to paycheck.  We live in a crappy place, in a crappy city, and don't live high and mighty.  I'm riding my bike everyday to save on gas, so that we have enough money to buy food and diapers for my daughter.  If I didn't, I don't think we could afford it.
There is no way that we are making 60k over what we need for essentials.  We living in Southern California, so it's a ton more expensive to live here than most other places in the country.

I have worked very hard to be able to make what I do, and even though it's not that much, it is getting us by, but to say that we have a major surplus, that's just stupid.

There ARE people making 20K a year and paying for everything, but maybe not in SoCal.  I'm not saying YOU have a surplus.  My stepson, his wife and my grandson live in San Diego.  I'm familiar with the cost of living there -- ridiculous.

My point is that at some point you will have more than basic necessities and one should be taxed on THAT amount, not on your entire income.  Most flat-tax proposals have this exception built in.

Thank you for clarifying.  I think a percentage tax would cover that.  It would tax the less income less, and the more income more.  I like Buddha's idea of a consumer tax. 

QuoteNooo.... with gene coded firing in the gun, the fear that the kids will find it and play with it is gone ... and criminals will know many more people will now have gund cos they are safer ...
The criminals will ahve guns, but soon, cannot get bullets for them ... we'll only sell the DNA coded guns and bullets.
Yea yea its hard ... we have to make weird sized ... like a .37 or .36, and a .21 not a .22 and whatever.
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Buddha.

Why do you think guns aren't safe.  I have never seen a gun laying on a table and get up all by itself and shoot someone.  It has to be done in the hands of person.  Responsible people keep their guns away from access to kids.  Locked in a gunsafe.

Those sizes would just be made...it's not hard to make your own ammo.  And manufacturers would just switch to those sizes.


I heard something the other day, don't remember if it was here or somewhere else, but it was...

Prison is college for Criminals.  You get educated in Prison, and learn how to become a better criminal.  You get connections, and form gangs.

I say, have severe limits on felons, which they have constant porol.  They have to check in once every other day or so, and their residence gets searched on a regular basis.  When in prison, everyone is in solutary.  You get to come out for 10 minutes per day, but only when everyone else is locked up.  No communication in prisons with anyone on the inside or outside.  They did something wrong, they need to pay for it.

Well you can put a gun on the table at my house and my son would not even look twice at it. (IE) he knows about guns and what they can do and seing one holds nothing for him becouse he has seen them before. It's the folks that try and hide the fact that they have one that there kids find it and kill some one due to not knowing.
Knowing is not half the battle.... it's the entire battle.

Lets try this then ...
In your house, at the kitchen table or anywhere else where its visible you leave a gun a nice big one with the gene coded trigger lock, set up full with a silencer, and a picture of the firing range target with a bunch of holes near the center and a note saying, Welcome! there is plenty more like this everywhere in this house and all 4 residents have theirs and are trained in its use.
If I had a gene coded weapon, I'd not even bother ... Id leave it on the hood of my car in my driveway.
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Buddha.

Yup, the buddha is all about shooting the crap out of people.

I understand what you're saying, but the likelihood that this technology couldn't be gotten around would be highly unlikely.

If you left your gun unloaded, this would be the same situation for the most part.  It takes responsibility on the gun owners part, and accidents won't happen.

Side note...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HZMD97nMw&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_372970

here's a (6 part I think) video about all the connections that Obama has, and a lot more information that has not been well know.  Worth taking a look.  Goes a little more in depth about a few things that I've brought up.

Quote from: The Buddha on October 08, 2008, 01:10:02 PM
Let all be about shooting the crap out of people.

Fixed.




and only if they need it 

Quote from: jserio on October 08, 2008, 11:33:42 AM
on to the 2nd ammendment. how is wanting to regulate the types of weapons availialbe in order to curb crime taking away YOUR right to own a firearm?

Its just the first of many changes that Obama would like to make to prevent law abiding citizens from purchasing/owning guns.  You can create all the laws you want, but the bad guys will always be able to get guns.  Obama is a senator from Illinois, one of the only 2 states that has made it illegal to carry a concealed handgun.  But bad guys break the law, so does that mean that they won't still carry that gun into the convenience store while your wife or girlfriend is paying for her gas and groceries?  I don't trust bad guys enough to wait a few minutes for the police to arrive. 

I never ever got a job from a poor person. The rich buy expensive items, the rich eat out the rich travel, they would buy more but they won't because they are afraid of getting raped by the government.

I used to make 13k a year as a delivery driver years ago. As a matter of fact during the clinton era. Annually I paid in about 600 dollars in taxes, I got back about the same as I paid in. I didn't miss that 600 dollars. I lived within the means of what I was paid. My wife and I make a combined 85k a year, we paid almost 17k in last year and had to pay another 1000 in at the end of the year.

So lets see by bettering myself i went from a 4% tax withholding to a 20% tax withholding, Hell we pay more in taxes a year than I used to make, yeah screw the it's fair for me to pay more taxes because I make more money. Tax my consumption, because I will spend extra on a vacation, buy an extra motorcycle get that rifle I been drooling over shaZam! like that, and I would eat out more and support the service industry. The effect of taxing me is I buy groceries and eat at home, those tips wait staff used to get they aint getting and like all people who know what it was like not to have money I tip well.

FYI I had the same attitude when I didn't have money. Make it a 10% across the board VAT tax to the feds let the states continue to charge their sales tax, guess what we would be at an economic surplus in 10 years because corporate america and people with more than 2 peenies in their pocket living from paycheck to paycheck wouldn't find ways to shelter 1.7 trillion dollars a year keeping it squirreled away and hidden from the governents greedy hands. Of course joblessness would go up a few percentage points because there would no longer be a market for middle leve pompous ass beuracrats working trying to take your money.

  Good post

I dont see how democrats who want to take away your guns are seen as taking away your freedom, while republicans who want to take away your right to have an abortion are seen as not taking away a freedom ...
Yea yea second amendment and this and that ... besides the point ... the question is about a freedom.
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Quote from: The Buddha on October 08, 2008, 07:36:06 PM
I dont see how democrats who want to take away your guns are seen as taking away your freedom, while republicans who want to take away your right to have an abortion are seen as not taking away a freedom ...
Yea yea second amendment and this and that ... besides the point ... the question is about a freedom.
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Buddha.

Good point.   Personally I believe abortion is immoral, but I do think people should have the right to choose.  I'm neither democrat or republican.  I have problems with most politicians belonging to both parties.  I'm not a fan of McCain, but to me, he is "the lesser of two evils".  I would love to vote a 3rd party candidate, but that would be a vote in the garbage. 

Same here however I see Obama as the lesser of 2 evils.
Either of the 2 will be nearly worthless ... they are wrong on nearly all counts on everything.
However the changes that will be comming soon are going to be so big, no one is going to be able to stop it.
Something like this ... they will be bickering about what the "federal gas mileage standards for cars" have to be and gas will go to 15 bucks a gal. Guess what, no matter what the ruling on the gas mileage standard is, only priuses and insights will sell.
It costs 2300 bucks with insurance to get a root canal. R/T ticket to india is 1100, and a root canal costs 50 bucks. Guess what, the politicians can bicker about medicare and medicaid ... people are simply going to jump on a plane and get their tooth done.
If economics dictates it, legislation is irrelevant.
We can argue about who will pay more tax under whose reign, and 1/2 the people become unemployed ... guess what, you aint collecting no taxes no matter what.
Legislation is smart can preceed and drive economics. If legislation is out of touch with reality, economics will trample legislation.
We can argue how we should let the illegals into the country ... and we have 45% tax and gasoline is at 15 bucks a gal and constructions and all other manufacturing is in china ... guess what, the only illegals will be the americans sneaking across to mexico to snag some farm work.
Both the clowns and their vice clowns are about to become irrelevant.
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Buddha.

Taking away my guns infringes on my freedom to own them as given me by the constitution,

Taking away someones freedom to have an abortion, is really giving the unborn child the freedom to live.

BeSafe

Buddha, I actually know a guy that went to Thailand for some dental work because he basically got a vacation in there for free and still spent less than the same work would have cost in the states.

It does take away your freedom to not have a baby.
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Quote from: spc on October 08, 2008, 08:05:50 PM
Buddha, I actually know a guy that went to Thailand for some dental work because he basically got a vacation in there for free and still spent less than the same work would have cost in the states.

I have been doing it since 94 ... I just go to India ... one time my neighbor across the street when we were growing up was my doctor.
India is predominantly english speaking and doctors really really want to be doctors. They grew up as a child wanting to be one ... many of them were poor as they grew up. Many of them knew of no other work they wanted to do. I was the same way, except as an engineer. Was building and taking things apart before I could walk ... OK fine after I could walk ...
Anyway a lot of eastern europe is that way too. I heard bulgaria, croatia I think ... a few more. I cant see the US health care system surviving past the next president's term.
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Quote from: The Buddha on October 08, 2008, 08:06:02 PM
It does take away your freedom to not have a baby.
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you always have the freedom not to have a baby. It's called keeping 'it' in your pants.