Hypothetically speaking, yes.  But that hasn't happened yet, so we'll see.

Quote from: spc on October 13, 2008, 09:02:02 AM
So, in reality, it is the majority of the Republican party that should be considered grassroots or extreme.

I'm SHOCKED you would say such a thing.  But I agree... 

myself and the Republican party aren't exactly seeing eye to eye. I. Have this funny kick about not liking socialism and they have this funny kick about not giving a holy f%$k about their constituents.
Let's not forget the last time a powerful nation saw a massive socialist movement what actions eventually stemmed from that movement. I truly do see a lot of disturbing similarity between Adolph and Obama.

Quote from: spc on October 13, 2008, 10:02:12 AM
I truly do see a lot of disturbing similarity between Adolph and Obama.

+1000

Absolutely.  And any leader of the kind...Mussolini, Stalin, Hugo Chavez, Che Guevara, etc, etc

Quote from: quiktaco on October 13, 2008, 10:12:33 AM
Absolutely.  And any leader of the kind...Mussolini, Stalin, Hugo Chavez, Che Guevara, etc, etc

I mean realy when Nobama speaks the crowd is almost in a trance and what's funny is if you ever heard The Rock from WWF speak to the crowd Nobama trys to sound just like him. 

http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/barack-the-black-hitler/

Here's a good link describing the similarities between Obama and Hitler.  This isn't some right wing article saying how bad they are.  It goes in depth about speaking, motivation, body language, rhetoric and emptiness, and tons of other stuff.  It's almost as though he studied Hitler on how to become the leader of a movement.

"The nation was in shambles. A previous ruler had led the country into an unnecessary war, the economy was failing, and a sense of depression filled the air. Then, a new leader emerged. He was a powerful speaker, offering hope, change, and a fix to the economy. He wrote two books about his experiences and used his literary work to propel him to success. He was an open christian with some muslim friends. He called for unity and considered himself an advocate of peace. Some of his political opponents cast him as naive and inexperienced. He also had alot of radical ties, but the media, and ultimately the voters, were willing to overlook that."

Who is this speaking of? 

Wrong...it's about Hitler.

really? and where did you pull this from? now, i'm sure i'll be flamed for this statement but as far as i'm aware, the Germans hailed hitler as a hero. (except the jews). now, that being said, i think the holocost is really the only place hitler went wrong. feel free to correct me, "show me don't tell me". 

LADIES AND GELTLEMEN, CONSERVATIVES AND, AND those WEIRD ppl on the left, LET THE FLAMING BEGINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn 

Quote from: jserio on October 13, 2008, 06:31:49 PM
really? and where did you pull this from? now, i'm sure i'll be flamed for this statement but as far as i'm aware, the Germans hailed hitler as a hero. (except the jews). now, that being said, i think the holocost is really the only place hitler went wrong. feel free to correct me, "show me don't tell me". 

It was from that link that I gave earlier.  Didn't fact check, but for the most part, it's all true from what I know about Hitler.
Yes, Hitler did have an 'ok' plan for the country.  Not really my ideal plan though.  The term NAZI stands for something like National Socialist Party or something.  Meaning, that Obamasiah has even more in common with Hitler.  Hitler's plan was a Socialistic Society where there was Nationalized health care, and all sorts of stuff, JUST like Obama.

The "holocaust" wasn't really something that went wrong, it was inevitable with these plans that he made.  He believed in a Supreme Arian race.  He wanted the best for his people, and wanted to spread the seed of the Arians across the lands.  In doing this however, he wanted to dispose of those who were not of pure blood.  Hitler hid that he had Jewish blood flowing through his veins, just like Obama hides that he has White blood flowing through his veins.

This is very similar to Obama...not so forward as Hitler was with his ideas, but Obama wants almost the exact same system of government that Hitler wanted.  We know for sure that he is also fine with killing babies that may have something wrong with them.  Hitler did that as well.  If they were born with defects of any kind, they were killed.  Obama lets that happen as well.  It's not mandatory, but I wouldn't put it past him so be thinking that.

Obama is also VERY anti-Jew.  He denies this now like he denies everything else, but he has said in the past that he is...in secluded meetings with select people obviously...but these places seem to be where we learn the most about him.  All of his friends, accuantances, idols, and mentors are anti-Jew, so it's not hard to see that he is as well.

He is also fine with meeting with Iran, without preconditions.  This means that us meeting with Iran 'to talk' is going to just give him more time to finish his nuclear program, and carry out what he promised to do...destroy Isreal.  He promised that he would be the one that will do it.

The problem with meeting with Iran 'without preconditions' is because this allows Iran to continue with their nuclear program.  If he met 'with preconditions' then we could require them to halt work on it and disarm and dismantle anything that has been made.  Then we'd talk.

This will directly cause Isreal to be bombed...


However (a little of my religion again), it's not going to happen.  It can't.  Isreal would probably stop it with an anti missile missile, and send 10 of their own nukes in the other direction.


But anyways, the Holocaust was the worst part of Hitler's plans, but he was an open and media loving socialist.  Only difference with Obama, is that he says he's a democrat.  Just like he says he's a Christian, not going to raise taxes on 95% of us, didn't know that his pastor said those things, didn't know who Farrakhan really was before his church gave him an award, didn't know a microphone was in that room in San Fran when he said that half the country clings to guns and religion, didn't know Ayers was a domestic terrorist, didn't know that his house's land was done with shady dealings, didn't know he was half white as well, didn't know he didn't really see any magazine article about a black guy trying to rip off his skin, didn't know that he was purposely seeking out the most Socialistic, Communistic, and Marxist people to get mentoring, and political advice while growing up, didn't know that he was well off when he was attending one of the most prestigious private schools in Hawaii, when his grandmother was the VP of a bank, and his step father was a big oil man, and his mother was getting her PHD.

Obama knows exactly what he's doing, and exactly who he has ties with, because he has been brought up on, and by these teachings for all of his life.  He knows exactly what he plans to do, which is a lot different from what he says.


Both Obama and Hitler are Very, Very smart people.

And now I will end with some quotes by the one we love to hate... (sounds like he speaks on behave of those who love Obama)  I agree with everyone of these quotes...Obama implements every one of these quotes.

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
-Adolf Hitler

He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
-Adolf Hitler

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.
-Adolf Hitler

I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.
-Adolf Hitler

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
-Adolf Hitler

All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
-Adolf Hitler

The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.
-Adolf Hitler

As soon as by one's own propaganda even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one's own right is laid.
-Adolf Hitler

Great liars are also great magicians.
-Adolf Hitler

It is not truth that matters, but victory.
-Adolf Hitler

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
-Adolf Hitler

Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be "discovered" by an election.
-Adolf Hitler

The day of individual happiness has passed.
-Adolf Hitler

The great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
-Adolf Hitler

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
-Adolf Hitler

The victor will never be asked if he told the truth.
-Adolf Hitler

Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.
-Adolf Hitler

I found this interesting

The Koran says...
Surah 5:51 -
Oh you who believe (Muslims), do not take the Jews and al-nasara (Christians) as friends.  They are friends to one another.  And whoever among you takes them as friends, so surely he is one of them.  Surely God (Allah) does not guide the unjust people.

Louis Farrakhan (leader of the Black Nation of Islam, who believes in what the Koran says)
"I love that brother (Obama), and I want to see that brother successful.  I don't want to say anything that would hurt that brother.  And I don't want them to use me or the Nation of Islam.  I didn't tell anybody who to vote for.  Do whatchu wanna do.  I've taught you enough sense, that I know you will vote yourself interest.  If you know what your self interest is."

Now, if Louis Farrakhan really believes in the Nation of Islam (which he does), then to 'love a brother', who is an Infidel, is forbidden, and if you take an Infidel as a friend, then you are an Infidel.  A Muslim can only love another brother of Islam.

It is also true, that most, if not all Muslims in America, are voting for Obama.  Why would this group of people vote for someone who is and Infidel?  By their religion, they shouldn't even be living here, let alone voting in a country that is primarily Infidels.

I don't know what this really means, but take from it what you will.  As the days go on, I am only seeing Obama, as more and more of a Muslim Sympathizer, and possibly, a Muslim himself.

* He was enrolled in school, when in Indonesia (I think that's where), as a Muslim...under religion, they wrote "Islam"
• When attending a Catholic school, he wasn't registered with the school as Catholic, he was registered as Muslim, and attended Muslim prayer, not Catholic prayer.
• He said in his book, that he's following in the footsteps of Malcolm-X, a known Muslim.
• His "Christian" church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Black Nation of Islam.
• His father was Muslim
• His step father was Muslim

There is no doubt that he is a sympathizer at the very least.  And to deny that possibility that he could be Muslim, is to be denying everything that points to it.

The Koran tells all Muslims to kill infidels, to slit their throats and to shatter their skulls.  And infidel, is anyone who does not believe in Islam.

I'm a right-wing, anti-illegal, pro-life, gun owning, straight, white, college educated, politically informed, conservative, Christian male.  Liberals hate me, and Muslims want to kill me.

Quote from: quiktaco on October 14, 2008, 01:56:13 PM
I'm a right-wing, anti-illegal, pro-life, gun owning, straight, white, college educated, politically informed, conservative, Christian male.  Liberals hate me, and Muslims want to kill me.

I don't hate you.  I just find you very self-righteous and incredibly misguided.  The only things I hate are 1)  laws based on someone else's religion being imposed on me, and 2) lies.

Quote from: trumpetguy on October 14, 2008, 05:11:18 PM

Quote from: quiktaco on October 14, 2008, 01:56:13 PM
I'm a right-wing, anti-illegal, pro-life, gun owning, straight, white, college educated, politically informed, conservative, Christian male.  Liberals hate me, and Muslims want to kill me.

I don't hate you.  I just find you very self-righteous and incredibly misguided.  The only things I hate are 1)  laws based on someone else's religion being imposed on me, and 2) lies.

Thank you for not hating me.  I don't feel I am self-righteous.  I don't mean to be.  I am just expressing my beliefs and opinions as you are expressing yours.  And lies that you feel I have said or not purposeful.  They are merely topics I have found that I would like to debate in this thread.  Like I have said, if info that is proposed is incorrect, please provide other sources which rebut it.  It's proven that Obama has lied about many things, yet you are still a strong supporter of him.  I'm not talking about some things that can't necessarily be proven or what not, but I'm talking about many of the things he's said, like his grandfather and Auschwitz, and not saying that he was registered as a Muslim in the Catholic school he attended, or claiming in one interview that he never heard his pastor say such things, then in a speech, he apologized for misguided things he's said.  The list goes on.

Please explain to me why you feel I am self-righteous.  I'd like to know, so I can change if I truely am coming across that way.

Also, I feel that you are the misguided one.  We see things differently, so nothings going to change on that front.
It does make for a good thread that's continued for a long time, so I thank you for that.

I didn't, however, get any of your comments about all this information that I posted.  What do you think about all of this Muslim stuff?  I don't want the rant about his campaign says he's not, nor has he never been a Muslim, and he is a Committed Christian, crap.  Based on the evidence provided, not by the manipulative campaign, what do you feel is the truth?


If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
-Adolf Hitler

"Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian. Further, this myth perpetuates unfortunate falsehoods about the Muslim-American community that are offensive to people of all faiths." - from his website   


(first off, I'm sorry that I may be offensive to a religion that wants me dead)



This image is of Barry Soetoro (Barack Obama), listed as being enrolled with his religion listed as 'Islam' on line number 4

This proves that he was raised as, and was infact a Muslim.  Therefor, this statement given on his website is false.  Maybe he is not now, but he was at one time.  Along with his grandfather, his father, his step father, his brother, and many more people who fill his life.

Quote from: trumpetguy on October 14, 2008, 05:11:18 PM

Quote from: quiktaco on October 14, 2008, 01:56:13 PM
I'm a right-wing, anti-illegal, pro-life, gun owning, straight, white, college educated, politically informed, conservative, Christian male.  Liberals hate me, and Muslims want to kill me.

I don't hate you.  I just find you very self-righteous and incredibly misguided.  The only things I hate are 1)  laws based on someone else's religion being imposed on me, and 2) lies.

very nice. you do know that liberals tell lies as well right  , heck everyone does. NO one is perfect. 'cept for christ 

First, I don't care if he's a Muslim or a Christian or an Atheist.  I don't think any of those make one a better leader.  So whether he is or is not a Muslim is a useless question.  If you want to get real picky about violent religions, you'd better look at the actions of those who call themselves Christian (and have throughout history).  Bush claims to be Christian.  So does Fred Phelps.  So does duck Cheney.  So does Tony Alamo.  Does that make them fine upstanding people?

Second, what does it take to become a Christian, and what facts do you possess which tell you that Obama is not and was not always a Christian?  What religion do children truly have?  If you were raised by atheist parents, were you an atheist until the age at which you began to believe?  Does it matter?

Third, in the last eight years, anyone comparing the actions of Bush to the actions of Hitler (which I find a VERY valid comparison) was castigated wildly.  Yet the same people now compare Obama AS A PERSON to Hitler.  I don't expect consistency from angry people, but this is a little over the top.

Fourth, whose handwriting is on the form you posted?  Someone at the school?  Obama's father or stepfather? Obama himself?  How old was he at the time?  It is utterly meaningless in and of itself yet you take it as fact because you desire to believe that the man about to be elected President (over your strenuous objections) is evil.

Fifth, why do Obama's alleged lies bother you but McCain's obvious continuous pandering flip flops NOT bother you?

Ron Paul.  f%$k the IRS and let's build a big f%$king electric fence on all of our borders.

Quote from: trumpetguy on October 14, 2008, 08:19:14 PM
First, I don't care if he's a Muslim or a Christian or an Atheist.  I don't think any of those make one a better leader.  So whether he is or is not a Muslim is a useless question.  If you want to get real picky about violent religions, you'd better look at the actions of those who call themselves Christian (and have throughout history).  Bush claims to be Christian.  So does Fred Phelps.  So does duck Cheney.  So does Tony Alamo.  Does that make them fine upstanding people?

Second, what does it take to become a Christian, and what facts do you possess which tell you that Obama is not and was not always a Christian?  What religion do children truly have?  If you were raised by atheist parents, were you an atheist until the age at which you began to believe?  Does it matter?

Third, in the last eight years, anyone comparing the actions of Bush to the actions of Hitler (which I find a VERY valid comparison) was castigated wildly.  Yet the same people now compare Obama AS A PERSON to Hitler.  I don't expect consistency from angry people, but this is a little over the top.

Fourth, whose handwriting is on the form you posted?  Someone at he school?  Obama's father or stepfather? Obama himself?  How old was he at the time?  It is utterly meaningless in and of itself yet you take it as fact because you desire to believe that the man about to be elected President (over your strenuous objections) is evil.

Fifth, why do Obama's alleged lies bother you but McCain's obvious continuous pandering flip flops NOT bother you?

LOL obama changes position more than mccain, and more than most people change their underwear. and as you can guess by now, TG you of all people know im not a probama guy, i wonder myself, err id have to see a link of some sort between thepaper and obama himself. as far as religions go. no one is "saved" err becomes one of them untill they choose to do so. and as far as being violent. look at islam as well ( during the crusades ( 1 example. im surte there are others.)

What about Islam during the crusades?  They got slaughtered.  Sure they were combatant, but you would be too if a bunch of fat foreigners were trampling all over your land and murdering/raping your family in the pursuit of a religious icon.