Well written. i cant vote for obama, because hes shown no plan on how he plans to do what he says he will do. and mccain hasnt either. and a realtive of mine ( bob barr) f%$k i know nothing about him at all. other than that. and that wont get my vote. Sooooo. thank god ive got monday off. which will give me time to figure out who will get my vote

I honestly dont want either as president, so im not voting.  Either way Im going to get a president i dont want.

Quote from: shiznizbiz on November 03, 2008, 01:48:07 AM
I honestly dont want either as president, so im not voting.  Either way Im going to get a president i dont want.

well then imo you will have no right to Buddha Loves You. if anything, vote for yourself. that way no  matter what you got a bvote. and you voted. and you can proudly fly the "dont blame me i voted for shiznizbiz" sticker

please vote

Ya know it's funny, the AP article I read a few days back said Obama actually admitted that regardless of whoever wins it just won't be possible for all the promises to be kept.  So, yeah Obama called himself a lier.  And yet still the feeble sheep masses flock to him.

YES WE CAN.......accept communism and fascism into our government because the majority of this country is too far invalid to actually research a candidate.

"I do solemnly swear to defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign of domestic"  I took that oath, just as many have and yet I'm expected to stand back and watch as we accept a form of government proven time and time again to fail, a government that this country has a history of fighting against.

Obama and McCain have both figuratively wiped their asses with the Constitution and there is no excuse.  None.
I can forgive McCain's faults as he has paid his debt and then some.  It is unexcuseable in the case of the candidate that can't hold true to his word during an election, that openly supports communist policies and then accuses others of socialist ideals, that has as of yet failed to produce conclusive proof of his legal eligibility to hold office.

spc out.

terry i am disappointed.  neither candidate has spoken communist or socialist doctrine as it is written and studied.   McCain's service does not give him a pass...many of us served, including yourself, and have suffered.  that is no reason to let them or us away from anything.  fascism, well bush/cheney is the closest we have ever come to that.  but they are even a long way from true fascism.  i have no idea what you are talking about when you say they "have wiped their ass's with the constitution".   also the "legal eligibility to hold office" is another thing i don't know what you are referring to.

anyhow we have 24 hours to go, give or take.  my hope is Obama wins and we turn this country around.  lord knows it can not be run any worse than the last 8 years.

Quote from: oramac on October 31, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
I voted for Obama...flame away.    I'm an independent that researched both candidates at length.  Back in February, I was certain I would vote for McCain.  After careful research, watching every debate, and listening to both candidates recently, I made my choice based on McCain's inability to counter Obama's policies.  All he could do was say how bad Obama was, but he never said how his policies were better.  I'm not going to get in to a debate about this issue.  Instead, I really want you all to get out and vote (no matter who your choice is).  I voted for Barack, but if McCain wins, I think he'll be very capable as president (I just hope he doesn't die, because I DON'T feel the same about Palin).  I thought I'd mention it before I got labeled a democrat.  My local and state choices were split between the parties based on the issues. 

Now go out and vote.   

Unfortunately, this I fear, is how Obama will win.  If people look solely at his speeches and debates, and not at his voting record, then he is definitely very moderate (other than the nationalized stuff).  If you look at his voting record, which IS what he will do when he's in office, then he is the most Liberal (closest to and/or is Socialist) man in the Senate (by Liberal poll in 2007)

Quoteneither candidate has spoken communist or socialist doctrine as it is written and studied.

Uh.... Socialism per Wiki...

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. (He Studied Marxism for 20+ years in his church...it was based on Marxism/Black Libertarian Theology) Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.

Socialism is not a discrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other. Another dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split on how a socialist economy should be established between the reformists and the revolutionaries. Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy. Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies combined with tax-funded welfare programs; Libertarian socialism (which includes Socialist Anarchism and Libertarian Marxism) rejects state control and ownership of the economy altogether and advocates direct collective ownership of the means of production via co-operative workers' councils and workplace democracy.

Sounds like Obama's platform to me.

• Redistribution of Wealth
• Using Class Struggle
• Anti-Capitalism
• Government/Nationalized run business such as Health Care
• Government Expansion
• Higher Taxes

He was also ranked as the #1 most Liberal Senator in 07.  More liberal than outward Socialists.  That makes him a socialist by his voting record.


If Obama is able to get any of these things accomplished, it will be the first steps to a Communistic Society, and the downfall of the USA.

the last 8 years republicans have been the kings of

larger government-expansion
increased spending
using class struggle
nationalizing business or giving them money.  however since when is health care for everyone wrong? i just can't get over that.
are tax breaks not redistribution of wealth? and what is so wrong with the rich helping out the poor?
anti-capitalism...well raw capitalism has done so well we now have over a trillion dollars in debt, our banks and economy is collapsing , jobs are lost, we are at the doorstep of economic ruin.

i am for
smaller government by getting reducing the military, out of Iraq and Afghanistan as well as other cuts to CIA, FBI, secret service
some increased spending will be needed to help the economy
i don't like nationalizing business'  however health care for everyone is something i believe in.
redistribution of wealth?  in the form of grants for education and things like that yes
anti - capitalism? no i am not against capitalism but i am against corporate greed and the raping of the American economy and American workers.

i'm prepared to be flamed for this statment but i'll say it anyways. it's my understading(based upon what i learned in school) that the IDEA, of socialism, marx's theory etc, all SOUND good in talk, and on paper etc. (note i said the "idea" not "practice). the attempted practice of this theory however has not gone well. (such as in hitler's regime)


a short note on voting. yes, i will vote. but i'm not really confident that my own, individual vote really counts for much because of the electorieal college system we have in place.

and i still don't know who i will vote for. but i won't be obama, or mccain. you can call it a wasted vote if you like but aren't they all wasted anyways? 

According to this definition:

QuoteSocialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[

NOTHING in Obama's platform or speech or beliefs gives rise to any honest speculation that he is a socialist.  If you can show me ONE speech where he has advocated state ownership of means or production of goods, I'll be very sorry I voted for him (yes, I did early voting).

Until then, that claim is pure unadulterated 

Cheers until Wednesday.   

Quote from: frankieG on November 03, 2008, 10:23:07 AM
the last 8 years republicans have been the kings of

larger government-expansion
increased spending
using class struggle
nationalizing business or giving them money.  however since when is health care for everyone wrong? i just can't get over that.
are tax breaks not redistribution of wealth? and what is so wrong with the rich helping out the poor?
anti-capitalism...well raw capitalism has done so well we now have over a trillion dollars in debt, our banks and economy is collapsing , jobs are lost, we are at the doorstep of economic ruin.

i am for
smaller government by getting reducing the military, out of Iraq and Afghanistan as well as other cuts to CIA, FBI, secret service
some increased spending will be needed to help the economy
i don't like nationalizing business'  however health care for everyone is something i believe in.
redistribution of wealth?  in the form of grants for education and things like that yes
anti - capitalism? no i am not against capitalism but i am against corporate greed and the raping of the American economy and American workers.

I agree, Bush made some very socialistic decisions.  However, why would you want someone who is going to make nothing but those decisions.  It was the democrats that started, propelled and finally pushed over the edge, this whole economic situation...starting with Carter, propelled by Clinton, and finished by the Democratic Congress, during Bush's term...look it up, you'll see.

Health care for everyone isn't bad.  Health care ran by and controlled by the government is bad.  Imagine going to the DMV and waiting in line, then being completely ignored WHILE you're being helped, then pushed out the door.  That's what health care will turn into.  There is no if's and's or but's...that's what will happen.  Plus, all the people that work hard for their money, are going to have to pay for the health care of those that choose to do nothing.

Tax breaks aren't redistribution of wealth.  Giving tax breaks to companies stimulates business.  We've had this discussion before.  It's called the trickle down theory (capitalism) as opposed to the trickle up theory (socialism).  Capitalism works, socialism doesn't.  that's proven time and time again in so many downfalls of governments over the years.

And you ask what's wrong with the rich helping the poor.  This isn't that situation.  This is Stealing from the rich to give to the poor.   And no, this isn't Robinhood (although it's still socialistic), this is taking from all rich, good hardworking people, not the greedy tax collectors like in robinhood.

And once again, you give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.  You teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.

THAT is the difference between the right and the wrong...I mean the left.  The right will teach you to fish, and help people to eat for a lifetime, and supply themselves with everything they want and need.  The left will give a man a fish...most likely a rotten one that he had to wait in an hour long line for, and that will feed him for that day....then he'll be back tomorrow for the next handout.

Make sure that you get out and vote tomorrow.  Vote to keep America free, and Vote to keep is out of the hands of someone who will destroy it. N  bama will take away your rights, your freedom of speech, your freedom to own a gun, your freedom to speak out against the government, your freedom to supply yourself with everything that you want or need.  Even your freedom to do nothing, and sit on your ass, cause these freedoms are what we get from this society.  With a Liberal President, Liberal Senate, Liberal House, and soon to be Liberal Supreme Court.  We will loose everything that we have fought for.  Everything that our founding fathers fought for.  We will have implemented the most extreme of Liberal ideas, because with no checks and balances, we will crumble.  There will be no way to escape.  The Politically Correctness of society will be implemented to make it so future elections can not be won by conservatives.  Vote for McCain, before it's too late, before we have to actually stand up with our guns and defend our freedom from this government.  I know he's not the most ideal candidate, because he's way too liberal for the standard conservative, but he is our only hope.

And there you have the Republican campaign in a nutshell:
Fear, lie, fear, slander, fear, negative blah, blah, blah, blah.  If they didn't have negative ads they would have NO ads.  Obama ran a 30 minute infomercial in which he went negative 0 times.

In a few years, these name-callers and doom predictors will have some explaining to do.  President Obama will be a great leader and he will unite people, not divide them (like Bush II said he would do, but did not).  You will still have freedoms (maybe even the restoration of habeas corpus and the end of illegal warrantless wiretapping), you'll still have your guns, and America will have regained some standing in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Lol obama and or the liberals do a pretty good amount of name calling. no on e is innocent of that charge. nor will anyone ever be. and how many times did obama play the race card?, and its a bit premature to call him president. as the voting has yet to be completed. i ignor polls. cause many times it is skewed. if he wins, ill be one of many to cn=ongradualte him, and hope he can do what he promisies. but right now, what he promises, although sounding good on paper, wont happen without 2 things.1. tax increases, and 2. responsible spending of money. we shall know within 4 months lol who is pres. tomorrow we know, but i feel as though it will be re-countorama 2008

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on November 03, 2008, 08:26:01 PM
and how many times did obama play the race card?

I am tired or hearing he will be the first black pres. when he has a white mama.
HE'S NOT BLACK!

Quote from: cafeboy on November 03, 2008, 08:29:56 PM

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on November 03, 2008, 08:26:01 PM
and how many times did obama play the race card?

I am tired or hearing he will be the first black pres. when he has a white mama.
HE'S NOT BLACK!

that and hes reminded those at a press conference or event he was at, that " Oh did i mention hes black?" ive hear audio of this. lots of it on YT. whoppty doo. i dont need to be reminded of it. there are more racists voting FOR him than against him. ie voting for him because hes black, and not white. me i could care less. race is only a that. it has no relevance to a persons character or how they will act.

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on November 03, 2008, 08:59:37 PM

Quote from: cafeboy on November 03, 2008, 08:29:56 PM

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on November 03, 2008, 08:26:01 PM
and how many times did obama play the race card?

I am tired or hearing he will be the first black pres. when he has a white mama.
HE'S NOT BLACK!

that and hes reminded those at a press conference or event he was at, that " Oh did i mention hes black?" ive hear audio of this. lots of it on YT. whoppty doo. i dont need to be reminded of it. there are more racists voting FOR him than against him. ie voting for him because hes black, and not white. me i could care less. race is only a that. it has no relevance to a persons character or how they will act.

+1 

They are alot of folks that are voting for him couse of race not couse of where he stands and it's just not right.
Hey the way I see it and when I have to fill out paper work when it asks race. I always check (other) couse there's no place for french, irish, native american. 

When I have to answer a race I usually respond "human."

Quote from: trumpetguy on November 03, 2008, 09:33:57 PM
When I have to answer a race I usually respond "human."

yup same here  , ill be damend i agree wiht a liberal    or answer "anytime" where it asks sex

and obamas 57 states, not counting alaska or hawaii?  anyhoo, no matter who wins. ( i hope it aint obama, cause then well ahve to listen to liberals Buddha Loves You for another 4 years minimum. and that is why the congressional ratings are low. tis all they did. they along wiht bush, voted iraq into being, and then did nothign but complain about it. and the wiretapping isnt illegal. was cleared by the court system, AND TEH CONGRESS

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on November 03, 2008, 04:25:36 AM

Quote from: shiznizbiz on November 03, 2008, 01:48:07 AM
I honestly dont want either as president, so im not voting.  Either way Im going to get a president i dont want.

well then imo you will have no right to Buddha Loves You. if anything, vote for yourself. that way no  matter what you got a bvote. and you voted. and you can proudly fly the "dont blame me i voted for shiznizbiz" sticker

Fine, fine, fine.  Ill vote.  Peer pressure sucks.  lol.  But im not voting for THEM.  Im writing myself in.  lol.  well see how that goes.