Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on November 04, 2008, 01:04:11 AM
and the wiretapping isnt illegal. was cleared by the court system, AND TEH CONGRESS

If you want to believe this, go ahead.  However, it is simply false.  Wiretapping WITHOUT a warrant is and always has been illegal.  If it were not illegal, Bush and the repubs would not have pressured Congress for a "get-out-of-jail" card after they were outed.  The FISA law, even though very convenient for fighting terrorism (warrants may be obtained after the fact and are almost never denied), was BROKEN by Bush and Cheney and then they lied about it.  Funny how that's only an issue when applied to Democrats and BJs.

As I have said before, there are only a few reasons why Bush would not have complied with a law (even one that involved a secret court proceeding like FISA).  All of those reasons involve illegal activity like political spying.  If they had not intended to spy on folks other than terrorists, they would have followed procedure.  They didn't.  Then they lied.  All of which points to illegal domestic spying like another famous Republican administration (Richard Nixon).

January 20, 2009 -- The End of an Error!         

Quote from: trumpetguy on November 04, 2008, 06:32:36 AM
January 20, 2009 -- The End of an Error!   

The rise of thugs, gangs, and drug dealers.
Otherwise known as Obama's base.
Let's just hope that the Hitler don't come out in him and we end up in the camps this time.

I can see it now.
Knock at the door.
(you)
Oh looks it the Obama police.
Hi.
(them)
Sir Mr. Obama wants to send you on a trip.
(you)
A trip ?
(them)
Yes Sir, Just come with us.
(you)
Ok. .....................
(later)
(you)
Hey you said I was going on a trip but this looks a prison not a hotel.
(them)
Oh no you see Mr. Obama just wants you to be safe so please go in.
(you)
Ok, If Obama wants me to then I will because he knows best for me.









(Obama)
Like sheep to the slaughter.

Like I said yesterday -- fear, false associations, and lies -- about sums it up for the McCain/Rove campaign.  And every other Republican campaign down to state rep.  Why?

And the funniest part is that none of you seemed upset when the real thing has been happening for the last eight years.  Suspension of habeas corpus, illegal wiretapping, torture, and the sound of crickets from the Republican side of the aisle.  And then the Democrats caved on wiretapping immunity!

I am VERY glad to see that it appears that the slime isn't working this year.  Polls have shown that McCain's reliance on negative ads and comments has backfired.  Maybe that memo didn't reach some of his minions....

I am not Rep. or Dem.
I am just calling it as I see it.
I hope you will not be the first to go.

Quote from: trumpetguy on November 04, 2008, 07:25:30 AM
Like I said yesterday -- fear, false associations, and lies -- about sums it up for the McCain/Rove campaign.  And every other Republican campaign down to state rep.  Why?

And the funniest part is that none of you seemed upset when the real thing has been happening for the last eight years.  Suspension of habeas corpus, illegal wiretapping, torture, and the sound of crickets from the Republican side of the aisle.  And then the Democrats caved on wiretapping immunity!

I am VERY glad to see that it appears that the slime isn't working this year.  Polls have shown that McCain's reliance on negative ads and comments has backfired.  Maybe that memo didn't reach some of his minions....

How do you say that they are false associations, and lies.  He clearly is telling a different story during the campaign than his voting record shows...hence the lies.  And for his associations...They go throughout all his life, there's no denying them.

As for wiretapping - I'm fine with it...why would they wiretap anyone that isn't suspected of something wrong?  It would be a waste of time.
As for torture - I'm fine with it...getting info out of bad guys keeps the bad guys from destroying the world.

• You can lead a Conservative to Kool Aid, but you can't make him drink.
• You give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.  You teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime
• Freedom only comes once to a people
• I cling to my religion and my guns.
• Stand up and fight against Communism.

Did you know that Obama wouldn't even pass the background check for being an FBI agent or a Secret Service agent?  He's got way too many bad associations.

Ya know, myself and a buddy joked about Obama not being able to acquire a security clearance.  My guess is that the handler to receive that SF86 would use it as toilet paper.

Bob Barr all the way baby! 

Quote from: quiktaco on November 04, 2008, 09:46:53 AM
As for wiretapping - I'm fine with it...why would they wiretap anyone that isn't suspected of something wrong?  It would be a waste of time.
As for torture - I'm fine with it...getting info out of bad guys keeps the bad guys from destroying the world.

You are a piece of work.

The U.S. Constitution guarantees NO search without a warrant.  I already explained one possible motivation for their illegal wiretapping.  How would you feel if President Obama wiretaps American citizens?  The same? Is the Constitution just a piece of paper to you?

Our signature on the Geneva Conventions signifies our agreement NOT to torture.  Instead of remaining honorable, we joined Hitler, Stalin, and other famous torturers throughout history.  And you're OK with this?  I'm not.  By torturing, haven't we BECOME the "bad guys?"  If not, how can you tell us from the "bad guys?"

It must be easy not having to think. 

I just voted for Mccain!!  Less of the two evils.

I'm voting for the Arab Muslim guy that pals around with Terrorists and hates the US.  I figure he can just ask his buddies where Osama bin Laden is hiding and we can go get him.

Quote from: quiktaco on November 03, 2008, 10:03:50 AM

Quote from: oramac on October 31, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
I voted for Obama...flame away.    I'm an independent that researched both candidates at length.  Back in February, I was certain I would vote for McCain.  After careful research, watching every debate, and listening to both candidates recently, I made my choice based on McCain's inability to counter Obama's policies.  All he could do was say how bad Obama was, but he never said how his policies were better.  I'm not going to get in to a debate about this issue.  Instead, I really want you all to get out and vote (no matter who your choice is).  I voted for Barack, but if McCain wins, I think he'll be very capable as president (I just hope he doesn't die, because I DON'T feel the same about Palin).  I thought I'd mention it before I got labeled a democrat.  My local and state choices were split between the parties based on the issues. 

Now go out and vote.   

Unfortunately, this I fear, is how Obama will win.  If people look solely at his speeches and debates, and not at his voting record, then he is definitely very moderate

Yup, you're right.  If people do research, watch debates, and listening to candidates' platforms, Obama may win.  How disappointing that would be.  If you're going to quote me, read my post first.

Let the counting begin...and recounting begin...and riots begin...and recounting again begin again...and riots continue.  Lock your doors tonight!

We'll see who gets the vote, and then all the fun begins (if Obama wins the vote).  First there's all the lawsuits about citizenship that need to be dealt with.  Then there's all the enslaving he's got to do.  Then building up the Obama Street Patrols, and the Obama Youth.

All hail the Messiah, Obama, Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50WO4CO2_1w

You're kinda crazy, and by "kinda" I mean really.

If people riot over the national outcome, rather than their own state's outcome, then they REALLY REALLY don't get how it works.  You vote for your state's vote, not for the president.

My state is always, always, always Democrat.  So, anyone voting here is either voting Democrat or throwing their vote away.  Some states flip back and forth...  People in those states can only really be upset about how their OWN state went.  Since, that's all they were voting for in the first place.

No one can be upset about how my state goes, it went to Walter Mondale, so there's NO doubt who's getting it.  .

funny thing is you dont see non liberals name calling in this thread. lol. leat after tonight we can shoot this bastardised thread, and let it die. and get back to www.gstwins.com

looks like we have elected our first Homeboyus Africanus president. 

Quote from: jserio on November 04, 2008, 09:08:47 PM
looks like we have elected our first black president. 

WHITE MAMA............HE'S NOT BLACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i didnt' say black. the word filter put that in for me.       "sparkling wiggles"     

Quote from: jserio on November 04, 2008, 09:11:37 PM
i didnt' say black. the word filter put that in for me.       "sparkling wiggles"     

Well that's ok then