Ha ha told ya so ... or well ... not quite just yet.

http://www.good.is/?p=14864&GT1=48001

I actually didn't listen to him so far ever, not had I even heard of him ... however I may have listened to one of his supporters/students/collaboraters I am not sure.
However I agree with a lot of his thoughts.

Al Bore, well, He lost the election so we need to pay him the credits etc. For sure. That's the agreement. Obama is going to make it happen even if Bush was reluctant to do it.

Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: The Buddha on February 19, 2009, 08:51:59 AM
Al Bore, well, He lost the election so we need to pay him the credits etc. For sure. That's the agreement. Obama is going to make it happen even if Bush was reluctant to do it.

Cool.
Buddha.

He WON the election, bub.

But to agree to give it up so we can have the war, he gets climate change. See how its conveniently named to cover us having an ice age too ... like in 10 years we could be fighting climate change as we start seeing snow in Los Angeles.
That cant have happened with "global warming" now can it.
Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: The Buddha on February 19, 2009, 09:55:37 AM
But to agree to give it up so we can have the war, he gets climate change. See how its conveniently named to cover us having an ice age too ... like in 10 years we could be fighting climate change as we start seeing snow in Los Angeles.
That cant have happened with "global warming" now can it.
Cool.
Buddha.

Actually, yes, it can.  The earth is a balanced ecosystem.  If the planet's temperature as a whole rises, currents change, wind patterns change, ocean salinity changes.   "Global warming" is accurate only in that it means the whole planet is getting warmer on average.  "climate change" is more accurate.  Snow in LA, drought in Australia, bigger, stronger, more frequent hurricanes over a longer season - it doesn't get hotter everywhere, it gets hotter on average.  Eastern Europe is more temperate than similarly situated parts of Canada.  Why?  The jet stream.  Melt the ice caps, change ocean salinity, change the jet stream, voila, Eastern Europe is cold... but the earth is warmer.

Quote from: lawman on February 19, 2009, 09:01:37 AM

Quote from: The Buddha on February 19, 2009, 08:51:59 AM
Al Bore, well, He lost the election so we need to pay him the credits etc. For sure. That's the agreement. Obama is going to make it happen even if Bush was reluctant to do it.

Cool.
Buddha.

He WON the election, bub.

won teh election Eh? al bore? funny i dont see him on the list of presidents  hes too busy tellin the world not to do things that he does

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000

Florida, which happened to have his brother as a governor, went to Bush only after boxes of votes were "found" late in the evening.  My foreign friends, including those with dual citizenship, agree that the 2000 US election would not have been certified anywhere else on earth.  Bush was appointed president by the Supreme Court, which has a majority of Republicans.

Just thought I would point out that here in the US we don't elect our Presidents by popular vote.

I would get into how the electoral collage works, but it kinda boring. I learned all about it in grade school.

BeSafe
PJ

As for the "found" boxes of votes, since when does any one party have a corner on being scoundrels ?

They (Politicians) are ALL tainted to some degree.

+1 

Quote from: PuddleJumper on February 20, 2009, 06:32:46 AM
Just thought I would point out that here in the US we don't elect our Presidents by popular vote.

I would get into how the electoral collage works, but it kinda boring. I learned all about it in grade school.

BeSafe
PJ

As for the "found" boxes of votes, since when does any one party have a corner on being scoundrels ?

They (Politicians) are ALL tainted to some degree.

The electoral college is great, when it doesn't involve political hackery and sabotage, not to mention nepotism, and when it doesn't countermand the popular vote.  If in the Iraqi elections later this year they "lose" a bunch of votes and then "find" them such that they overwhelmingly support a particular candidate, lets see what pundits say.  The 2000 election was stolen, and that theft netted two wars, the largest gap between the rich and poor in american history, a sharply conservative supreme court, the largest defecits in modern history, the largest national debt in modern history, and the largest recession, around the world, since the great depression.  We will never recover from that entirely illegitimate farce they called an election, and I guarantee you we're going to hear lamenting from the deathbed  about exactly how the election was faked someday.

Quote from: lawman on February 20, 2009, 08:19:03 AM
The 2000 election was stolen, and that theft netted two wars, the largest gap between the rich and poor in american history, a sharply conservative supreme court, the largest defecits in modern history, the largest national debt in modern history, and the largest recession, around the world, since the great depression.  We will never recover from that entirely illegitimate farce they called an election, and I guarantee you we're going to hear lamenting from the deathbed  about exactly how the election was faked someday.

I can agree with this, the last eight years have been pretty rough and through it all Bush's actions seemed sloppy and hasty and ended up putting us all through hell, and now he gets to sit back and relax and shrug off the whole thing while Obama, as well as the rest of us, have to figure how to make things better.

Quote from: Canonball on February 20, 2009, 08:55:51 AM
I can agree with this, the last eight years have been pretty rough and through it all Bush's actions seemed sloppy and hasty and ended up putting us all through hell, and now he gets to sit back and relax and shrug off the whole thing...

Until the war crimes tribunal, that is...

ha true 

Quote from: lawman on February 20, 2009, 05:19:23 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000

Florida, which happened to have his brother as a governor, went to Bush only after boxes of votes were "found" late in the evening.  My foreign friends, including those with dual citizenship, agree that the 2000 US election would not have been certified anywhere else on earth.  Bush was appointed president by the Supreme Court, which has a majority of Republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College

Al Bore has gotten over the '00 election WTF can't you?

OK OK, that set of points was good lawman, but I need to see 3-4 things - global warming has been around since the 70's.

There were many many models and many many predictions made then and through the 80's and through the 90's and so on. They had a 20-30-40 year study window. The simple task is to test our past predictions and know how far off we were. Looks like now, we are making dire predictions about 20-30-40 years from now, paying Al Bore big bucks and in 20-40 years we'll have a new hypothesis.

Prove that the earth being much much warmer in the time frame 40,000 to 60,000 years ago was not as warm as it is now, ironic cos they just proved it was 7-8 degrees warmer overall.

Prove that the ice age is not going to occour with a build up of ice in the poles and that suddenly flips to the equatorial plane. because there has been proof that the poles were once at what we now call the equator.

If I said in 1989 that in 20 years the GS500 will rule the world, and 2009 comes around and the GS500 is nearly dropped from the suzuki line up its such a POS, wont you be looking at all the other BS I say with a lot of skepticism. Same deal.

They seem to be theorising, taking in the profits, and moving on to the next theory. Sorta a ponzi scheme but with pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo.

Cool.
Buddha.

i'm not going to say that the things we are doing don't affect our climate or anything like that. but the earth as a whole has it's own system, it's own...umm...how do i put it, ritual? does that fit? history repeats itself. the earth is constantly changing. always has. it goes through cycles. i'm not worried by it. really. just be happy to be alive. 

Quote from: jserio on February 20, 2009, 01:06:31 PM
i'm not going to say that the things we are doing don't affect our climate or anything like that. but the earth as a whole has it's own system, it's own...umm...how do i put it, ritual? does that fit? history repeats itself. the earth is constantly changing. always has. it goes through cycles. i'm not worried by it. really. just be happy to be alive. 

I agree, the earth is cyclic and we are just in a up swing of overall temps.  Sure we haven't treated the planet great overall but in the large scheme of things the earth will balance itself out and since humans are only around for a short time we see it as a tramatic thing or an up and coming catastrophe!

But I'm really not to worried since it won't happen before I die    See the greatness of human's short life spans?

Thanks,

Nick

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 12:13:29 PM
OK OK, that set of points was good lawman, but I need to see 3-4 things - global warming has been around since the 70's.

Global warming has been around throughout the existence of the earth... look at planet Venus, for instance...  The earth has cycles, the problem is that we are demonstrably speeding this one up.

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 12:13:29 PM
There were many many models and many many predictions made then and through the 80's and through the 90's and so on. They had a 20-30-40 year study window. The simple task is to test our past predictions and know how far off we were. Looks like now, we are making dire predictions about 20-30-40 years from now, paying Al Bore big bucks and in 20-40 years we'll have a new hypothesis.

So your plan is "do nothing and hope it all works out"?  Good plan there...  Try that the next time you're crossing the street in front of a car, for instance...

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 12:13:29 PM
Prove that the earth being much much warmer in the time frame 40,000 to 60,000 years ago was not as warm as it is now, ironic cos they just proved it was 7-8 degrees warmer overall.

The earth goes in cycles.  Again, we're just accelerating one.  At one point Earth was a blasted rock with no atmosphere.  Good luck riding your GS500 in THAT...  Our existence, particularly as we know it, depends on a particular cllimate, which we're threatening.  Until the Sun goes nova, the EARTH will be fine, but we might be screwed if the temperature changes by even a few degress.

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 12:13:29 PM
Prove that the ice age is not going to occour with a build up of ice in the poles and that suddenly flips to the equatorial plane. because there has been proof that the poles were once at what we now call the equator.

The polar ice caps are shrinking at an alarming rate.  We know that, and can measure it.  That may cause an ice age, but do you really want an ice age?
the poles changed primarily because the earth's core is made of molten metal.  Ever pour hot fudge?  It doesn' stay where you put it.  Neither does molten metal.  The poles are cold not because they're the poles, but because they're tilted so they get less and less direct sunlight....

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 12:13:29 PM
If I said in 1989 that in 20 years the GS500 will rule the world, and 2009 comes around and the GS500 is nearly dropped from the suzuki line up its such a POS, wont you be looking at all the other BS I say with a lot of skepticism. Same deal.

If other people who know what they're talking about agree with the rest of your BS, and my continued existence may depend on that BS... NO, I wouldn't be skeptical.  I would do things to reduce the risk.

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 12:13:29 PM
They seem to be theorising, taking in the profits, and moving on to the next theory. Sorta a ponzi scheme but with pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo.

Yeah, and the earth is flat.  And gravity is caused by invisible gnomes...

Lawman too many of your points are like self contradictory.

Polar ice caps shrinking will not cause an ice age. Polar caps getting thicker will cause an ice age. So global warming is preventing an Ice age. Score 1 for global warming. Heavy ice caps will want to spin to the outside in the rotation of the earth not be near the poles.

Global warming "the theory" has been round since the 70's not "global warming the phenomenon". The phenomenon has been around a few 1000 years. But it was definetly warmer 40K to 60K yrs ago. So why did it cool down, and why was it warmer, and when is it likely to do one or the other. Its a geologic question, not a weather question.

The 70's theories have definetly come to the stage where they can be studied and proven. Go ahead and do the required studies to see how much we missed it by so we know how accurate climate scientists are atleast were in the 70's and 80's. I am not saying we are going to do nothing. In fact that is what the new "global warming" theorists are saying. Or they are saying we theorise like this, then we pay the piper and then we move on to newer theories. I am just saying I would like to see a check list - we said this, its happened, then we said this, that missed by 50% because this other thing (like say a volcano over italy) we didn't know was going to happen, then there was this that we were so off, it went 100% opposite direction. Whatever. I want a Report card. Opposite of nothing. You send your kids to school, year over year, we got no clue what goes on in there. One fine day kids like 30 yrs old and we got no clue what he knows or not. How's that.

I get that 89 GS500 rule the earth BS, I am just a clown with or without a GS500. Who am I to theorise.

Flat earth, gravity gnomes and pay the Bore. Its all his thanks to doing. You owe him.

I was essentially saying these 3 things
The theories of old and new need to be caliberated before we get new theories sprouting out of the blue.
It needs to be proved that the ice age was either a myth, a mistake or we have averted that risk and are over correcting and we better stop.
And the 8 degree warmer earth will not happen anyway or the earth will reverse the 2 degrees we managed to warm when its next cycle starts.
Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
Lawman too many of your points are like self contradictory.

Polar ice caps shrinking will not cause an ice age. Polar caps getting thicker will cause an ice age. So global warming is preventing an Ice age. Score 1 for global warming. Heavy ice caps will want to spin to the outside in the rotation of the earth not be near the poles.

Uh... no.  Ice caps result and proceed from an ice age.  The earth gets cold, you get ice.  Not the other way around.  Melting ice caps can cause ocean salinity changes that affect global weather patterns, which might foster an ice age.  We've had micro ice ages over the last several thousand years like that.

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
Global warming "the theory" has been round since the 70's not "global warming the phenomenon". The phenomenon has been around a few 1000 years. But it was definetly warmer 40K to 60K yrs ago. So why did it cool down, and why was it warmer, and when is it likely to do one or the other. Its a geologic question, not a weather question.

It cooled down because of carbon consolidation.  Carbon went into plants, and dinosaurs etc.  When we burn those things, we let the carbon out.  Carbon - generally carbon dioxide - traps heat.

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
The 70's theories have definetly come to the stage where they can be studied and proven. Go ahead and do the required studies to see how much we missed it by so we know how accurate climate scientists are atleast were in the 70's and 80's. I am not saying we are going to do nothing. In fact that is what the new "global warming" theorists are saying. Or they are saying we theorise like this, then we pay the piper and then we move on to newer theories. I am just saying I would like to see a check list - we said this, its happened, then we said this, that missed by 50% because this other thing (like say a volcano over italy) we didn't know was going to happen, then there was this that we were so off, it went 100% opposite direction. Whatever. I want a Report card. Opposite of nothing. You send your kids to school, year over year, we got no clue what goes on in there. One fine day kids like 30 yrs old and we got no clue what he knows or not. How's that.

I volunteer you...

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
I was essentially saying these 3 things
The theories of old and new need to be caliberated before we get new theories sprouting out of the blue.

Why?  the science behind the theories hasn't changed, only the assumptions about human progress have.

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 02:29:29 PMIt needs to be proved that the ice age was either a myth, a mistake or we have averted that risk and are over correcting and we better stop.

Why?  what is this ice age you're so keen on?

Quote from: The Buddha on February 20, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
And the 8 degree warmer earth will not happen anyway or the earth will reverse the 2 degrees we managed to warm when its next cycle starts.

the earth will warm by 8 degrees.  The question is when.  There's nothing we can do about it except speed or slow it.

it sure as hell isn't warming here by 8 degrees. average temp for december here was 19F...yeah, but we're warming.....