The shut eye is really good at helping you get and stay asleep. It is easily the best non prescription sleep aid on the market.  Fusion puts out some great product, and their people are really focused on making a good name for the brand.   Of course, were I to get my hands on a case or two of jintropin..,...........

Quote from: spc on March 05, 2009, 02:36:24 PM
Analyze away!  I'd actually enjoy an unbiased educated opinion.

The magic words. 



Wouldn't drop the creatine during a work phase.  You need the phosphate. You don't have enough mitochondria, since you mentioned being sore.  The lactic acid buildup would be worse without creatine, and sometimes the body can pull phosphorous from bones just to have a phosphate source.  It's gonna take a while for the mitochondria to catch up, since you're putting a focus on cell repair and formation.  Not like you're gonna get osteoporosis or anything, but you're not hurting anything with the creatine if you're staying hydrated. 
Don't try to stack it with a diuretic, though.  What is that one that's so popular from GNC?  Some people stack them during their cardio phase to help their thighs from burning and cut at the same time, then end up swapping kidneys with their sister.  You probably know that, but just saying.  Thought one of my relatives was smart enough to know, then he found himself pissing blood somewhere in Mexico and nearly lapsed into a coma. 


Olive oil is your friend, but I'm sure you already know that.  You're getting some type of lipidase through your supplements, which is kinda cool.  It'll help build cell membranes, so just give it a good lipid source (and phosphate, again).  Plus, a lot of your hormones (including the one you're most concerned with) are lipids. 


If you're worried about creatine screwing with your body, then just tell the unit PA.  There's a simple test that can check for proper urine protein concentrations.  Just fake it; tell him your chest feels tight, you feel nauseous, your skin feels itchy all over (unless you can fake hives or a rash), and you take creatine.  If he says you've got a virus or an STD, then just tell him you keep seeing brown spots in your pee.  Looks like little globs of chocolate syrup or pieces of chicken liver in the bottom of the toilet. 
Just be sure to tell the urologist the situation before he shoves a scope up your Oscar Meyer. 
Might be a good idea if you're a booze-hound. 

I suppose you're getting your other essential AA's from the protein (especially if it's casein)  and that you're taking a good vitamin.  If you're not using casein, then check for calcium.  For your muscles, not your bones. 

Just tell your squad leader or whomever before you see the PA, otherwise word can spread really quickly that you're the idiot that OD'd creatine.  Not a good thing for one's career.  Best to head it off at the pass. 
I'm pretty sure your command would appreciate that you're paying attention to your health.  And, chances are that they wouldn't mind a little manipulation of pain-in-the-ass medics. 

No command issues to worry about ATM, I ETS'd nearly 2 years back.  I keep toying with the idea of going back...........but that's another thread.

I'm cutting the creatine because, as best I can figure, my normal diet supplies a sufficient amount.  I've never made spectacular gains while on it and only took it this time because the company sent me a bottle free.

I don't touch diuretics aside from grapefruit juice, so no worry there.

I use Isopure 0 carb protein, which naturally supplies a healthy dose of BCAA's.  I've also very recently started taking Agent M, which supplies a daily:
3500mg L-leucine
1750mg L-isoleucine
1750mg L-valine
1000mg L-arginine

yup, they're massive freaking pills.....

Well, G'night.  Gotta hit the plates early tomorrow.

mmm grapefruit juice, i had some for breakfast 

I don't drink a lot of grapefruit juice, usually just for a day or two every other month along with heaping amounts of superpump(should have been named colon blaster 5000) just to clean everything out.

Like I said, I didn't want to criticize your supplement choices.  What form of creatine did you have?  You weren't taking those gel-caps, were you?  Try the micronized or liquid citrate one day, if you ever come back to it.  But, yeah, you get it in beef, anyway. 

There are five other essential AA's. 
I'm sure Isopure has you covered, though.  It's got everything and then some.  Wish the pre-mixed bottles weren't so expensive.  Tastes so much better. 

Hell, lifting 545... Doesn't really matter what you're eating, you're way better off than me.  You've just about doubled my personal best, but then you're probably double my body weight, also.  I couldn't keep up with my caloric needs, and I can't stand flaxseed.  But, boy do I miss those days. 


What's ATM?  @$$hole of The Month? 

I use the powder Isopure   It's not quite as good as the premixed bottles, but it's hugely cheaper.

Basically, I want to be a 6' tall version of this:

I'm not too far off..........my chest/back/upper triceps are on par, just need to do some fine tuning of my forearms and biceps and start cutting.

Wish I could afford the GH that he's on. 
Wouldn't do me any good, but at least I could pretend. 

Ain't that the truth.  If I had the cash there would be regular shipments from China to my front door.  A friend of mine found himself a dirty old widow worth 7 figures who's been offsetting his cost.   He's been at it about 2 months and has gained 12lbs   The best thing about a quality HGH is that it's significantly easier for your body to process and doesn't have fun side effects for 20-30 years down the line like liver/kidney failure, aortic valve failure, etc. 

Yep.  You nailed it.
Plus, at his age, his GH production has fallen so low... 
But, who cares.  Old people have all their freakin' experience anyway; they don't need bodies.  Just a head rolling around on a skateboard or something. 
(Dear Old person:  You imagined that I just said that.  Because you have mad cow.  Stop driving cars.)


That's hilarious about your friend's "sponsor"!  Didn't think any of those actually existed.  Thought it was an urban myth.  Lucky bastard! 

so what's all the big govt fluff about HGH anyways? if it doesn't have the adverse affects that "other" products have, then why is it frowned upon? 

I'm not sure if it's a scheduled drug, but the AMA frowns on it's use as a purely performance enhancing drug rather than as a treatment for a condition

okay, let me get this straight, when i'm injured, my doctor can give me steroids and it's "ok" although if i'm a competitor of any kind, i'll fail a piss test anyways, injury or not. 

A pointless ethical can o' worms. 

Not to be an ass.  I hear that sort of thing pretty often where I go to school.  Yet, they still can't play a decent game... 
Worst drop-out rate in the state, too! 
Real winners, in every regard...




Theoretically, you could take enough GH to result in gigantism or acromegaly. 
There is a difference, I just can't remember which is which (shows how much I've been studying  ).  In one, your body makes too much GH and in the other it doesn't stop producing it.  Anyway, your body decreases production at a certain age to stop you from growing past what your organs and skeletal system can support.  It continues to make small amounts in order for you to age "gracefully".  It's not a steroid, per se, so it's not scheduled the same (I don't know if it is at all).  I haven't been taught the difference yet, and I'm too lazy to check. 
However, I believe the main difference is that it causes whole-body growth (not simply limited to muscle).  It enables skin repair and elasticity, stimulates growth at the bone plates (which I can't understand), prevents loss of muscle tone, and such things. 
A few years ago, it was marketed as the miracle anti-aging pill simply because they discovered new ways of synthesizing it instead of taking it from cadavers.  But, it's still expensive, and so people kind of lost interest. 

It's not so much frowned upon as it is simply deemed unnecessary.  People believe that it will help them live longer, etc.  There's no common condition besides the effects of aging (not the aging itself) that it can help.  So, if you tell your doctor that you want GH because you're getting old, he's gonna laugh at you.  Aging is natural, and he's likely to waste time trying to reverse the process.  Especially when you're bound to complain constantly about the price.  Let's not forget that you must take it constantly to appreciate the effects. 

As far as I know, it doesn't prevent neuron degeneration (although that would be interesting).  Much of the hubbub comes from the age-old debate: if you have a product that can help the population live longer and healthier lives, shouldn't you give it to the entire population for free?  Now that they've figured out the limitations, the debate has died. 



This is all why I say: "It won't do me any good, but I can pretend." 
Now, i could be wrong.  I'm just a lowly pre-med with a Fisher-price stethoscope and a Dr. Seuss anatomy text. 
Doesn't keep me from wanting the stuff, anyway.  Call me Napoleonic, I don't care.  And, if I could afford constant injections for the rest of my life (and my family's), then I'd be living in a much better state of affairs. 

I asked a Doc that I lift with:
Basically the FDA has set forth a VERY short list of approved conditions for HGH treatment, about 1/15th what it should be.  Outside of that short list of treatment is obviously a federal offense, do not pass go, do not collect $200, please remit your medical license for destruction.   The main issue with going the semi-legal route for HGH as a performance enhancer is that the approved conditions are hard to fake.   Not a miracle drug, but it is a hell of a powerful tool for treatment of a lot of things.

On the other hand, faking a low free test level is easy.  Basically, wear your body into the ground.  Stay up way too late, overtrain, drink like a sailor, cut meat and fat out of your diet and tell your Doc that you're having trouble sleeping and f%$king. 

i'm just wondering why the FDA has it on such a short leash is all.  i mean, it's crazy enough when someone in any competition gets busted for pot and they say, "he/she was taking performancing enhancing drugs." WRONG! when your stoned you lucky if you can find your own damn feet. seriously, watch Robin Williams : Live on Broadway.  anyways. i don't know much, but HGH sounds to me like a "natural steroid". something your body produces anyways. not something anabolic. am i wrong? or am i just not getting the picture? 

Quote from: spc on March 10, 2009, 07:44:25 AMStay up way too late, overtrain, drink like a sailor, cut meat and fat out of your diet and tell your Doc that you're having trouble sleeping and f%$king. 

Wow, I should get an appointment... 
That's not exactly "faking", though.  Such a lifestyle does actually inhibit test production, and sometimes it's out of your control.  Hel!, you were in the Army, you've seen how it can make folks crazy (ahem  ).  I definitely understand your frustration, though. 

Thanks for reminding me of that, though.  I thought of it two years ago, then forgot completely.  Might get myself some "essence au bull testicle".  Or is it goat, now? 



The FDA is very bureaucratic, Jserio.  The aim is to stop people from jacking up their bodies with snake oil from convincing marketing, narcotics and such things, drugs that haven't been properly researched, etc.  From what Terry's buddy is saying, you're not getting GH unless you're under three feet tall with proportioned limbs and skull.  Otherwise, you have produced or are producing enough to support yourself. 
I think that "money talks" is working in Sly's case. 

Don't blame it on the medical profession, though.  You can be prescribed cocaine as a topical analgesic, Schedule 1 narcotics for pain management, etc.  It's a matter of returning someone to their natural state (or as close as possible) to give them as high a standard of living as possible (then letting them screw it up). 

The better thing to be frustrated with is nicotine!
Talk about lobbying....   

The big rage now is either bGH, readily available from Mexico and legal as long as 'you don't intend to use it on humans' or 'homeopathic' hGH.  HhGH is kinda BS though, the dosages needed to produce the results of IM injections are obscene (think radioactive cocktail 3 times daily) and rival IM cost.  bGH, well f%$k, seriously..........I'm OK with synthetic compounds of anything my body naturally produces, keep the mad cow serum away though.

I've actually become fairly fond of the test booster I'm taking.  The science is fairly solid behind it and the effects are unmistakeable.  You know how cocky freshly tabbed Rangers are?  Think that with more intensity.  I'm planning on getting bloodwork done this time to confirm, but last time all the signs of heightened free test were present.

I've been back on about a week now and it's starting to show it's head again.  I start getting very aggressive, both in my training and socially, when in the gym...........and of course tonight I snapped on a guy because I didn't like how he was looking at me.  A few minutes later I realized I MAY have been a little harsh.



Anyone catch the Arnold Classic?  Dexter Jackson got robbed, he was easily the meanest and leanest competitor.......hell, his striations had striations.

Quote from: spc on March 10, 2009, 10:10:13 PM
hell, his striations had striations.

Ha!  I didn't see it, though.  Makes me sad to watch it, since I'm such a whining lazy bum with my sh!t lifestyle.  Sounds like the normal political crap, though. 


Jeez, I miss being a cocky bastard.  Sounds like good stuff.  My last booster was ineffective.  I ended up throwing it away and trying to fake my own placebo effect.    
Didn't work, but I tried. 
Congrats on that!  You must be doing your homework instead of just picking the fanciest magazine ad.  What are you using for a stimulant?  Please don't tell me you're chugging a Red Bull and then huffing ammonia, like the idiots around here.   




I know we've talked about creatine a little much, but I'm studying tonight and can't resist.
Caffeine interferes with creatine production (in your liver) and absorption. 
Your body is healthy enough to have large energy reserves.  Once those energy reserves run out, your body turns anaerobic, using creatine and fermentation.  You know fermentation is bad.  But, if you've got creatine and you're not using it, you're gonna depend more on fermentation.  You might be hitting muscle failure sooner than you should (if you're that kind of lifter). 
I know you don't like the stuff, and I respect that.  I'm just giving you some textbook info.  Use it however you want.  Besides, you already know what's most important!



Back to studying!  Four in the morning, only 6 hours to anatomy midterm.