Quote from: fred on April 23, 2009, 11:31:08 PM

Quote from: gsJack on April 23, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
I don't use car oil or motorcycle oil in my bike.  I use truck oil.   

Yeah, it is all about the truck oil. How can you not love oil that comes in gallon containers when you ride a bike notorious for burning oil?

I use Accel 10W40 made for cars without exhaust sensor crap. Its a close cousin of the delo semi truck oil these guys are talking about. It comes out of the bottle grey. Delo only looks grey after a couple 100.
Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 05:44:43 AM
ZZZZZZZZzzzz............ZZZZzzzzzzz!

Sledge is bored to death with this thread, but for some reason can't resist it----he's still here----kinda like josh.

Quote from: ojstinson on April 24, 2009, 06:46:12 AM

Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 05:44:43 AM
ZZZZZZZZzzzz............ZZZZzzzzzzz!

Sledge is bored to death with this thread, but for some reason can't resist it----he's still here----kinda like josh.

Truth is I think we are ALL bored to death with it......but I keep looking in on the off chance you might just bring something new to the table.........so far you are letting me down, keep trying eh 

Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 07:41:27 AM

Quote from: ojstinson on April 24, 2009, 06:46:12 AM

Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 05:44:43 AM
ZZZZZZZZzzzz............ZZZZzzzzzzz!

Sledge is bored to death with this thread, but for some reason can't resist it----he's still here----kinda like josh.

Truth is I think we are ALL bored to death with it......but I keep looking in on the off chance you might just bring something new to the table.........so far you are letting me down, keep trying eh 


Please try to be patient with those of us who can't seem to come up with same kind of spine tinging post that you are capable of ----you know, like the one where we get to see a portfolio of photos of your bike, detailing the monumental mileage milestone of 10,000 miles .---kudos to you man, your parents must be so proud---I know we are.

At least it was original and some people found it interesting........now lets get back on topic, when are you going to tell us all something original and interesting about oil?

Wake me back up when you can...ZZZZzzzzzz!

Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 08:25:57 AM
At least it was original and some people found it interesting........now lets get back on topic, when are you going to tell us all something original and interesting about oil?


That was indeed original, I can't imagine anyone else considering something as inane as that a milestone, we're holding our collective breaths waiting for the docudrama surrounding the big 15 k. event.

Here is my take on oil, or any other fluids for that matter, as long as you put the minimum grade recommended you should be ok, so why take the chance of ruining one of the systems just to save a few bucks, I mean you dont want to put a lower octane than recommended because you can ruin your engine which will cost more to fix then just spending a few extra cents on a better gas, its the same with oil.  Why save a little now when you could potentially be paying a lot in the future to fix the mess you created from crappy or the wrong grade oil?

There aren't a whole lot of car engines out there that make 180HP+ per liter.  Yet, you can buy plenty of motorcycles that produce that and more, right out of the dealer crate.

180HP per liter would be a 5.4L F-150 with 1,000 HP stock, off the dealer lot.

Cars are generally designed to a more conservative standard than motorcycles.  That means lower transmission tooth loadings, lower BMEP,  piston speed, etc.  Heavy mobile equipment is more conservatively designed than a car.  Stationary power equipment is yet more conservatively designed than mobile equipment.  Weight has nothing to do with it.  Gear profile, tooth profile, pressure angle, face width, etc are what determines the loading on a lubricant.




I don't' spend a lot of money on oil for one reason:

GS Jack has proven, twice, that the GS runs out of exhaust valve seat before it runs out of compression running Rotella T 15W40 Diesel oil.  That's good enough for me.  Nobody is going to get any more life out of it with $8 a quart "super oil".

At 80,000 miles, you pull the engine and overhaul it. 

That's all there is to it.

Aw, why'd you have to ruin it, GeeP?  He was funny. 

Bored, I guess.

I hear that. 


Well done, with the point on valve seating. 

Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 08:25:57 AM
At least it was original and some people found it interesting........now lets get back on topic, when are you going to tell us all something original and interesting about oil?

P.S., at my R.S. Strauss in town, gallons of Castrol MC oil, Rotella Truck oil, and "car oil" are all the same price (within a dollar), so cost clearly isn't an issue.  I used the MC oil for my last change but I'm going to try the Rotella next time around.

Quote from: GeeP on April 24, 2009, 10:58:27 PM
There aren't a whole lot of car engines out there that make 180HP+ per liter.  Yet, you can buy plenty of motorcycles that produce that and more, right out of the dealer crate.

180HP per liter would be a 5.4L F-150 with 1,000 HP stock, off the dealer lot.

Cars are generally designed to a more conservative standard than motorcycles.  That means lower transmission tooth loadings, lower BMEP,  piston speed, etc.  Heavy mobile equipment is more conservatively designed than a car.  Stationary power equipment is yet more conservatively designed than mobile equipment.  Weight has nothing to do with it.  Gear profile, tooth profile, pressure angle, face width, etc are what determines the loading on a lubricant.






I don't' spend a lot of money on oil for one reason:

GS Jack has proven, twice, that the GS runs out of exhaust valve seat before it runs out of compression running Rotella T 15W40 Diesel oil.  That's good enough for me.  Nobody is going to get any more life out of it with $8 a quart "super oil".

At 80,000 miles, you pull the engine and overhaul it. 

That's all there is to it.

Quote from: GeeP on April 24, 2009, 11:13:34 PM
Bored, I guess.

Like I said before, I do use the cheaper "truck oil", the main point of my thread was that you don't need to spend a lot of money on over priced over hyped motorcycle oil---you simply drove home my original contention.

Quote from: GeeP on April 24, 2009, 10:58:27 PM
There aren't a whole lot of car engines out there that make 180HP+ per liter.  Yet, you can buy plenty of motorcycles that produce that and more, right out of the dealer crate.

180HP per liter would be a 5.4L F-150 with 1,000 HP stock, off the dealer lot.

Cars are generally designed to a more conservative standard than motorcycles.  That means lower transmission tooth loadings, lower BMEP,  piston speed, etc.  Heavy mobile equipment is more conservatively designed than a car.  Stationary power equipment is yet more conservatively designed than mobile equipment.  Weight has nothing to do with it.  Gear profile, tooth profile, pressure angle, face width, etc are what determines the loading on a lubricant.




I don't' spend a lot of money on oil for one reason:

GS Jack has proven, twice, that the GS runs out of exhaust valve seat before it runs out of compression running Rotella T 15W40 Diesel oil.  That's good enough for me.  Nobody is going to get any more life out of it with $8 a quart "super oil".

At 80,000 miles, you pull the engine and overhaul it. 

That's all there is to it.


I don't believe that it necessarily runs out of valve seat at 80,000, depends on how hard you ride----how conservative you are with the RPMs.
I know of plenty of air cooled bikes that are way over the century mark and still going strong.

I know its been done repeatedly, but I still think the needs to be hit occasionally. 

Quote from: X-ray on April 25, 2009, 07:08:36 AM
I know its been done repeatedly, but I still think the needs to be hit occasionally. 

I agree!

Quote from: wladziu on April 24, 2009, 11:30:45 PM
I hear that. 


Well done, with the point on valve seating. 

Yeh, that was really excellent------too bad there is no basis for it. Valve seats can go well over 100,000 if the bike is maintained and ridden conservatively.

I use air and water