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So i can't get it to run

Started by jetboy287, April 11, 2009, 08:59:31 PM

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jetboy287

I'll have to get a test light i cant find mine, but i"ll try the other things in the meantime, and let ya'll know and thanks for all the input
James

jetboy287

yeah I'm getting power to the coils, i tried pulling the plugs and turning it over and still no spark i also got two new set's of plugs and still no good but I'm gonna try the other stuff and let y'all know as soon as i do i bought a used icm off flea-bay for .99 + shipping so I'll swap that out when i get it in the mail as well

jetboy287

so i checked the omh's and they are 349 and 352 does that mean they are okay? and for that matter what did that test? was that the pick-up coils? but i have yet to buy a check light i used my vom and the voltage fluctuated between 8 something and 13 something is that okay or do i need to still get a check light? and i haven't tried to trim the plug wire yet i forgot about that part I'll have to do that tomorrow I'll report back as soon as i know something.
James

jetboy287

so i got it to run the other day but it's still not firing on the (r) side which coil runs the right side? i think that may be my problem. anyone know? i put on the new icm and the carbs i got from D-Day (which are sweet by the way) and she started right up but sounds like a sick Harley but i was able to get it to idle bad but it does  but it's still not firing i pulled the (R) side plug boot while it was running and it didn't change anything. i trimmed the wire and no luck that didn't help ether so it has to be the pick up coils right? thats the only thing left that i can think of ? Help  :technical:

jetboy287


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Quote from: jetboy287 on April 23, 2009, 12:21:23 PM
so i checked the omh's and they are 349 and 352 does that mean they are okay? and for that matter what did that test? was that the pick-up coils? but i have yet to buy a check light i used my vom and the voltage fluctuated between 8 something and 13 something is that okay or do i need to still get a check light? and i haven't tried to trim the plug wire yet i forgot about that part I'll have to do that tomorrow I'll report back as soon as i know something.
James
Not exactly sure but by the Hayne's manual ur within spec and ur getting continuity to the pulse coils.  I'm not sure where to steer you.  Did you try testing the coil with the test light?  This step alone may be enough to bypass the trigger system.  We may be chasing a non-existent problem and may need to move elsewhere. Make sure your battery is fully charged and let us know exactly the voltage ur getting at both terminals for each of the 2 coils w/key on and engine off. 
Since you swapped carbs out and the engine  can run on one cylinder, try running engine with airbox off and check to see if fuel is coming up through the needle jet with mid to full throttle. Does the right cylinder fire at all at full throttle?  Could even be that throttle butterflies aren't properly synced.   B4 going down this road let's confirm the electrical tests above. 
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jetboy287

okay so i played with it some more the other night and i realized that the plug coming from the icm the female part that is part of the main wiring harness had some rust on it, i went to the local auto part store and got some blade type connectors, i cut and striped the wires and realized that there was corrosion on the brown wire on both sides male and female, so i cleaned them as best as i could and i got a spark on the (R) side  :woohoo: , at that point it was to late to try it, but what i want to know it what is the best thing to use to clean the corrosion of the wires? I've sprayed them with cleaner but when i tried to solder it i couldn't get it to stick and soke in no matter how hot i got it, should i just cut the wire back till it's clean and scab a new piece in? will that hurt it ?

joshr08

yeah jet i would just cut it back at a good spot and get rid of the bad altogether.  then solder in your new peice to get you where you need to go.  glad to hear your getting closer to riding. :thumb:
05 GS500F
mods
k&n air filter,pro grip gel grips,removed grab handle,pro grip carbin fiber tank pad,14/45 sprockets RK X-oring Chain, Kat rear shock swap and Kat rear wheel swap 160/60-17 Shinko raven rear 120/60-17 front matching set polished and painted rims

jetboy287

hey josh how the he11 are ya? yeah i just wish it would run I'm starting to get tired of it sitting in the dinning room and the new gf thinks I'm crazy as hell  :confused:

joshr08

Im good moved on to another project build with lots of pics for everyone to look at.  just waiting to see your title change to "Took her for a ride to day and it was great"  did you ge3t your wires soldered together to give it a shot yet?
05 GS500F
mods
k&n air filter,pro grip gel grips,removed grab handle,pro grip carbin fiber tank pad,14/45 sprockets RK X-oring Chain, Kat rear shock swap and Kat rear wheel swap 160/60-17 Shinko raven rear 120/60-17 front matching set polished and painted rims

jetboy287

yeah i did and i think it's still messed up the lower black and yellow wire seems to lose power when i try to crank it that is why i think it's a connection problem it has voltage untill you try to crank it and then it loses power for about 2 sec then it comes back so i may need to splice in a new wire. and yeah i saw you're new bike what kind is it?

joshr08

jet bud it sounds to me like you need to check ground wires.  almost sounds like that sides arcing out on a bad grond connection somewhere.
05 GS500F
mods
k&n air filter,pro grip gel grips,removed grab handle,pro grip carbin fiber tank pad,14/45 sprockets RK X-oring Chain, Kat rear shock swap and Kat rear wheel swap 160/60-17 Shinko raven rear 120/60-17 front matching set polished and painted rims

jetboy287

yup thats what I've been thinking too but I'll have to weight till tomorrow to find out i don't get off work till 0800, where did you move to? same state?

joshr08

oh no i didnt move living locations.  was just saying that im on to the next build.  Tomorrow ill take some pics of the wiring mess im into with both hands and a foot.  its a mess but im hoping to have it wrapped up tomorrow but that depends on how my eyes work with my hands and brain.  prolly take 1/2 the day and a tin of chew before im making any sence to myself.....lol....let me know what you find on your end and ill post up some more pics of my wiring mess in my thread tomorrow morning.  good luck bud
05 GS500F
mods
k&n air filter,pro grip gel grips,removed grab handle,pro grip carbin fiber tank pad,14/45 sprockets RK X-oring Chain, Kat rear shock swap and Kat rear wheel swap 160/60-17 Shinko raven rear 120/60-17 front matching set polished and painted rims

jetboy287

you too buddy have a good one and good luck  :thumb:

jetboy287

so i went home and all my grounds are good i redid the wire that went bad and cleaned my carbs, it's still not firing on the (r) side but it will idle soothe, I'm about 100% sure that it's running rich, i bought the carb from D-Day and the k&n lb with it, he advised me that it has a jet kit on it already so i may be running really rich, when you try to give it any gas it starts running vary bad and trys to die, but i'm gonna mess with it some more the jets in it are 130 mains and 37.5 there was two washers on the needles and i had to take one off to get it to idle at all should i take the other ones off? and it didn't really seem to matter how many turns in or out it was it still ran the  same  :dunno_white:

jetboy287

So I've fixed the not firing problem it was the three prong plug that connects to the icm  :woohoo:, but it's still not running right I'm having some sort of fuel issue now but I'm not really sure how to describe it, it sounds just like this one http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47945.0;topicseen but I'm not having the leak he is and my bike wont do anything when i try to give it any gas whats the next thing to try?

jetboy287

sorry i haven't had time to mess with it cuz i totled my mustang friday night some dumb ass locked up his car in front of me so i hit em

jetboy287

how do i adjust the floats? do i need to bend that little brass tab? or is there some other way that i don't know about i checked mine and they seem to be about 1/16 of an inch high

joshr08

yes you bend the brass tab that your needle clips around.  when i set mine i do it by eye.  hold the carb how its mounted on the bike then push the float up until it closes the needle.  just try to think of them floating in gas as you do it so you get the thought in your mind as to how high the gas level will be when they are actually filling up  :thumb:
05 GS500F
mods
k&n air filter,pro grip gel grips,removed grab handle,pro grip carbin fiber tank pad,14/45 sprockets RK X-oring Chain, Kat rear shock swap and Kat rear wheel swap 160/60-17 Shinko raven rear 120/60-17 front matching set polished and painted rims

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