He send me rusty forks and calipers that dont match.

They were sent separately due to the odd shapes etc, and when I saw the wrong calipers I PM'ed him immediately, he was going to swap the calipers for the right ones, which now he cannot find. I didn't get the forks till 4 days later. I didn't open them a few days ... and

Then when I find the forks are rusty, he refused to cover me for sending the junk back to him, not even considering that he still owes a set of calipers to me.

I have tried reasoning with him ... he's saying I paid 200 shipped and I am not getting 200 and shipping for sending it all back.

1. Forgetting that he owes me calipers and shipping ...
2. I have to send this back to him.
3. I will send just the forks if that is what he wanted and I offered 150 and shipping.

I think we have the makings of a Fake ID coward. So buyer/seller beware before you send anything to Joshua Reihl. Contact me if you suspect it may be him and I'll give you the address.

And I might as well tell any one else - selling junk crap will seriously cost you more than you hoped to make form the sale, because you'd end up eating the reverse shipping if you want it back. That is the rule we go by.

If we work this out Josh - I'll post how my experience went, and I'll delete or correct this post as needed. Do the right thing - I know I will.

Having said that, I have sent junk parts to people before. I pulled it all back (not just 1, there was nearly 20+) and replaced it all with identical and good items. I always stand behind what I sell, unless I tell you the parts/whole of it is crap and you buy anyway ...

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Buddha.

and you wouldn't buy my forks for 2 yrs for the same price......serve ya right ya cheep ass beer drinking cheep ass

I told buddha that i would refund his 200 dollars that he paid for everything that included shipping and for some reason thats not good enough for him he wants the 200 + 35 for shipping.  I have no problem refunding his money but i WILL NOT give him more money then he paid.  whos the bad guy here ?  i have offered 3 times to refund the total price he paid but im not paying him an extra 35 for shipping when i included it in the price for the parts in the first part so if i refund the 200 that should include shipping.  So if this seems a bit shade who should we beware of the guy that offered to refund the full price or the guy thats bad mouthing the guy for not wanting to pay the extra 35 for the parts to be shipped back if it was included in the purchase price from the start???  have a good day

Oh lets try this ...
He sent me the wrong calipers.
He's yet to send me the right ones, and evidently I need to pay for shipping the wrong calipers back.

More than I paid - not really, Who is going to pay to ship these back.

As it stands right now, he has to pay to get the wrong calipers back, pay to get the right calipers to me and the 200 I paid him. I really dont see how he can show this "righteous anger" he is brimming with.

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Buddha.

I'm proud of you guys for working this out together and not dragging each others names thru the mud. 

Sorry but I agree with Josh, he's willing to send you the right calipers and you can ship the old ones back but for you to expect him to refund you shipping is outrageous.  I'm sure there were pictures posted of the forks and isn't it buyer beware?

You buy something from any retailer online and you want to return it thats fine but you pay return shipping.  For you to expect him to cover your shipping back because your unhappy with what you bought is crazy.

Personally I've bought many parts from Josh and have had awesome dealings.  He has helped me countless times when I needed advice or help finding something online.  And I've lost a lot of respect for you Buddha since you weren't adult enough to handle this between the 2 of you and you had to drag his name through the mud.

No he didn't post pics of calipers. He just said he has matching calipers and I was OK buying it that way, but when I got random calipers, I told him, he said he'd find it and send me the right ones. No mention of any return shipping anything.

Also he said the forks were great, there were pics, but not in the detail you need to see rust ...

Now if you ask for some thing from online store say a Large helmet, they send you some other stuff like a XXXS, you really have to pay for sending it back ... really ... really ...

Now you buy something lets say a helmet, and it comes in with a liner than has been eaten by a rat (obviously not transit damage) ... you call them and complain, they make you pay to send it back ... really ...

OK if the helmet was normal and the same one you ordered, but now you see it dont match your bike ... agreed, return, restock whatever is your responsiblity.

Broken, wrong ... not as promised ...

I also bought a few others things from him, it was all OK, but really when things go wrong is when it counts.

I would expect to send broken stuff back if he pays for it, I would also send the mis matched stuff back again if he pays for it. I'd send it all back if he pays for that too.

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Buddha.

Well if you want the guarentee of parts as adverstised ask for better pics.  If you want coverage for return shipping don't buy used, buy from a store.  All in all, this whole thread is pretty childish and I'll keep that in mind if ever selling anything on here again.

Nick

budduh,
you are in the wrong.....
pay the shipping back and get your 200 bucks
better to loose a little than all of it...

The forks I had were purchased for a GS twinner....he said if I find some get them and he would pay me.....
so i got them...then I got the stories how he couldn't afford them this month....again and again

I've had them for 3-4 yrs

as soon as I made the spacers from scrap metal....they sold in a day

took me 3-4 yrs to get my $ back

Quote from: utgunslinger13 on May 17, 2009, 01:13:29 PM

Personally I've bought many parts from Josh and have had awesome dealings.  He has helped me countless times when I needed advice or help finding something online.  And I've lost a lot of respect for you Buddha since you weren't adult enough to handle this between the 2 of you and you had to drag his name through the mud.

BTW I did this only when he PM'ed me this -

oh ok so i give you 200+ shipping when you paid 200 with shipping included are you f%$king kidding me.  im done you keep the parts and im done selling anything over the net to anyone on here.

Then this -

when i sent the stuff to you i sent it for 200 that included shipping im done with this have a good day

I have been working with him since last night.

I am sorry, broken or wrong parts are to be replaced with the right ones at sellers cost. I am not being frivolous all I am asking is what I paid and shipping back.
I am in fact willing to only return the deal breaker to let him keep more of the $ and be less $ to ship.

Buyer beware I understand, that is the title of the thread.

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Buddha.

Why dont you too guys just kiss and make up & meet in the middle and split the shipping?

Quote from: utgunslinger13 on May 17, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
Well if you want the guarentee of parts as adverstised ask for better pics.  If you want coverage for return shipping don't buy used, buy from a store.  All in all, this whole thread is pretty childish and I'll keep that in mind if ever selling anything on here again.

Nick

I am not looking for guarantee - I am looking for whoever is selling to not lie ... if they do, this is what we do. Forks had scratched on the lowers - see it in the pic, and not of much consequence. I let it go.

And Ut - if you are going to be selling rusty ass crap as good, you really need to be watchful.

The rust spots were obvious, and joshr08 isn't saying any of this BTW, so essentially he's being far better about this than you are. In fact I am going to hav to make a note of this when I buy stuff from you.

Really he said calipers for the forks when they are other fork calipers.
The rust spots were pretty obvious. No way to miss it, and no way to call these forks good.

Lets try this scenario.
You buy katana shocks. I send you GS shocks. Ok now to get katana shocks, you need to send me the GS shock back. How is that for bait and switch. That was what was the whole caliper situation.

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Buddha.

Quote from: Chanse on May 17, 2009, 01:42:58 PM
Why dont you too guys just kiss and make up & meet in the middle and split the shipping?

Josh - if you want to do this - I'd send you the forks and you pay back 150 and 1/2 of the shipping for it from me to you. And remember you're not shipping me calipers, or even finding the calipers.
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Buddha.

why would i give you 150 + shipping for the forks?? i sold you the compete FE for 150 and a rear shock for 35 that becasue you only had 200 in your paypal account got shipped to your door the day you paid for 200 im not taking the forks for 150+shipping you keep it you have alredy ran my name into the mud i told you i will give you what you paid and not a penny more.  i was going to ship you the calipers to make the fe right with you that WAS my mistake and i wasnt asking for the other calipers back again that was my mistake.  You have filed a complaint with paypal that got you no where because you got your parts so now you run my name down here.  i have tryed since last night to work this out with you i asked for pictures that you said you have of the bad fork.  I still havent got these.  I have told you time and time again i will give you the 200 bucks but for some reason your adding the price of you shipping other parts back to me and the price of a caliper that your not getting with you shipping these parts back to me.  I feel as tho you were trying to blackmail me by telling me in pm that you would post in the forum about my bad forks if i didnt pay you the 200+35 to ship these parts back to me and for that i beleave your really just trying to use the forum in hopes of me sending you all the money your asking for to stop this thread and i really dont care.  you do as you feel that you need to do.  i wont be blackmailed into paying more for something then you paid me for.

Trust me buddha, I sell everything with pictures and describe it as they are.  You buy them and have issues not my fault.  And I wouldn't sell anything to you before since everytime you've made an offer you've lowballed me.  Now, wouldn't even look at an offer from you if your just going to be a child and run his name through the mud after blackmailing him for more money.  He's being more generous than I would have after the way you acted.

Nick

Carry this on in here and you will both loose your reps`. Old saying......dont wash your dirty laundry in public.

Joshr08 - OK 150 for the FE ... of course you keep the calipers and we do 1/2 on shipping - if that is OK, let me know. I would definetly call that as standing by your word, and I'm good. I know you didn't intend to scam me ... really I know that. Now remember the stem makes the box fatter ... the forks are very long and as such good for a tube of sorts like you made. The stem is gonna take some extra work. I have an idea, lets call it 140 and 1/2 shipping for legs. The stem will cost prolly 10 bucks to ship, and I thought I'd buy it from you for 10 and shipping will save you prolly another 5.

Utgunslinger - I didn't have issues ... the pics didn't show it, and he assured me they are great. I dont expect pristine, scratches on the lowers etc are all par for the course ... I am fine there, the useability is what is not there. A scratch here a chip there dirt here and what ever, dont bother me.
Calipers of course were total bait and switch. I really dont see how I pay to ship them back, and rightly he didn;t mention it till 10 mins ago.

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buddha.

Quote from: sledge on May 17, 2009, 02:12:04 PM
Carry this on in here and you will both loose your reps`. Old saying......dont wash your dirty laundry in public.

Sorry man, I dont hide stuff ... besides, people gonna figure out what ... I expect the parts that show up to be the ones I bought and they need to be useable and not junk ...
Sorry man, when the handlebars I made broke ... I still posted here and worked through it ... so I actually dont think its any big deal.
And we work through this it should also go to joshr08's credit.
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Buddha.

hows 100 for just the legs and ill pay the 20 bucks for the shipping through usps you keep everything else?

No, $100 is too low, but look in your PM.
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Buddha.