Quote from: The Buddha on July 22, 2009, 07:33:37 PM

Quote from: Paulcet on July 22, 2009, 06:53:22 PM
So, Buddah:  Why wouldn't the circlip work on a 21mm sprocket?  I don't think there is that much axial force on it.

Oh several reasons, the thing has to be tight on the shaft, and the pulley is usually wider than the 520 sproket, you can machine that down ... but heck might as well machine the countershaft and thread it.
Also the chain center line is bound to fall outside of the clip, and it can come loose ... on my 89 it did before I got it, was boogered up in the groove, I think from a chain break incident.
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harl;eys leaking oil lol, , i call BS on that. unless its been abused. , would be like me bashin a gs for having the potential of having goats/starwalts, yes ive ridden an HD wiht a 4" open primary. i was referring to the drive belt, not hte primary

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on July 22, 2009, 08:09:59 PM

harl;eys leaking oil lol, , i call BS on that. unless its been abused. , would be like me bashin a gs for having the potential of having goats/starwalts, yes ive ridden an HD wiht a 4" open primary. i was referring to the drive belt, not hte primary
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Gotta agree wit Yamahonzooki,

 The Harleys Ive had were abused by average , Ruff Tuff HD dood standards and they NEVER leaked
or left me stranded. I rode the Hell out of them in all weather and conditions. No garage queens, here.
I think the  real 'leaky Harley' stuff died in the early 80's on the big bikes, a littlelater on the Sporty's.  
Its hard to convince a non-Harley rider how great the bikes are cuz all they can focus on are the goofy,
part time wannabe 1%'ers who stand out in the crowd. Real HD guys are the nicest people you'll ever
meet and the bikes they maintain stopped leaking in the 80's.  

Peace out, its ALL good !

only seriousl complaints i had about the 1200 sportie i demoed: needs better/bigger readout, and it seemed a bit "light" in a headwind(wanted to drift about alot when the wind was at my face) of course, these could just be problems in my newbie mind and not real problems at all. 

Yep, It's was just you 

Quote from: jserio on July 22, 2009, 07:39:07 PM
so, for longevity, i'm better with a belt drive......
and for power i'm better with a chain drive...
and shaft....is in between?

that doesn't seem right. should be longevity = shaft, chain, belt.

course, if you pour sand on all three while they're running, it'd be interesting to see which one lasts longest. i'd bet on the self-clearing chain. note, that's 'clearing', not 'cleaning'.

sand does a really nice job of speeding up the normal wearing process. and it's cheap. now, whose bike will be the pig  ?

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on July 22, 2009, 08:09:59 PM

Quote from: The Buddha on July 22, 2009, 07:33:37 PM

Quote from: Paulcet on July 22, 2009, 06:53:22 PM
So, Buddah:  Why wouldn't the circlip work on a 21mm sprocket?  I don't think there is that much axial force on it.

Oh several reasons, the thing has to be tight on the shaft, and the pulley is usually wider than the 520 sproket, you can machine that down ... but heck might as well machine the countershaft and thread it.
Also the chain center line is bound to fall outside of the clip, and it can come loose ... on my 89 it did before I got it, was boogered up in the groove, I think from a chain break incident.
Cool.
Buddha.

harl;eys leaking oil lol, , i call BS on that. unless its been abused. , would be like me bashin a gs for having the potential of having goats/starwalts, yes ive ridden an HD wiht a 4" open primary. i was referring to the drive belt, not hte primary

I didn't say harleys leaked oil in this post ... why quote me and say somethign entirely dfferent.

The front sproket cannot rock on the shaft is what I said for belt drive. The GS one does that, none of the others, chain or belt do that.

And yes harley owners are the nicest people you'd ever meet. the lot of them, Doctors, accountants, salesmen, executives ... the only ones you have to watch out for are the lawyers. Nicest I tell ya ... the nicest and the best ... One of them did my taxes, and found another 500 bucks in refunds. The best.

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Quote from: The Buddha on July 23, 2009, 08:23:41 AMAnd yes harley owners are the nicest people you'd ever meet. the lot of them, Doctors, accountants, salesmen, executives ... the only ones you have to watch out for are the lawyers. Nicest I tell ya ... the nicest and the best ... One of them did my taxes, and found another 500 bucks in refunds. The best.

Yea, I have this eye doctor friend (who is starting out in career/life so he is poor, why else is he my friend right) who bought a vulcan 500, and he's eyeing a moto guzzi as a way to out harley the harley crowd. Atleast the damn thing is 4K not 15K.

Seriously, HD guys are so mechanically clueless of late. They have no idea how to save their motors, forget even instinct, you tell them, they still suck. back in the day the riders knew their bikes, any and all of it, it was tore and built by them. No wonder they are the nicest guys, they never do anything that is remotely hard ... so they can sip their tea (no never mind, its latte's @ starbucks now) and complain about their misfire, and they will put in the hands on work after work, where they will personally oload their bikes into their pickup truck and take it themselves to the dealer (as opposed to having someone do it for them). They are very hands on.  ...


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Buddha.

Quote from: The Buddha on July 23, 2009, 10:37:22 AM
Yea, I have this eye doctor friend (who is starting out in career/life so he is poor, why else is he my friend right) who bought a vulcan 500, and he's eyeing a moto guzzi as a way to out harley the harley crowd. Atleast the damn thing is 4K not 15K.

Seriously, HD guys are so mechanically clueless of late. They have no idea how to save their motors, forget even instinct, you tell them, they still suck. back in the day the riders knew their bikes, any and all of it, it was tore and built by them. No wonder they are the nicest guys, they never do anything that is remotely hard ... so they can sip their tea (no never mind, its latte's @ starbucks now) and complain about their misfire, and they will put in the hands on work after work, where they will personally oload their bikes into their pickup truck and take it themselves to the dealer (as opposed to having someone do it for them). They are very hands on.  ...


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Buddha.

Harley's a whole different entity now than it was a few decades ago.
The same stuff you mention could be said about cars, too.
When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, everybody worked on their own car.
Your Dad alloted an hour or so every saturday morning to maintaining it.  Teenagers
worked a summer and bought an old Nova and put mags and Cherry Bombs on it.
Who works on their stuff now ? So, its not just Harleys, its all mechanical stuff in general.
I think a lot of todays riders arent getting their skills by skipping dirt bikes and small bikes
and going right to 600's. Most of the ones I see, and was in the club with, just cant ride. Period.
But, Oh well.....The 20 and 30 yr olds who are on this board today will be saying the same stuff about the
next gen 20 years from now 

I know a few that can ride, but tell them, the fan isn;t running on this, so it over heats in traffic, you need to get it home without cooking it. That brings a blank look to their face, followed usually by a roasted motor.

They cant even do the simplest thing, and of course forget working on it.

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Buddha.