Quote from: Toogoofy317 on August 13, 2009, 09:59:41 AM

I did like the yamaha ZXR1 I dunno got messed up with all of the letters LOL!

Bikes have way too many letters. Yamaha's are YZFs, and unfortunately their dirtbikes are YFZs, which gets my hopes up, and smashes them repeatedly every day when I'm browsing and see a "Yamaha YFZ $800" listing and think I found a cheap R6.

Tony, if you take your time any keep an eye out on craigslist you can get just about anything for a good price. I see ninja's and cbr's for the same prices you usually see gs500s and ex500s, that is if money is your main deciding factor, as your post made it sound.

My current list (not really in any order):

• R6s - Cheaper, slower (barely), more comfortable than the latest R6.  Also I prefer the looks to the current R6 too
• R6 - Not much to say here.  Quality bike, plain and simple
• SV1000 - low insurance  , EFI, (reportedly) good suspension, looks like a fun bike
• CBR600 - Not much to say here either
• GSXR-750 - Why not spend the extra $1k for the extra muscle over the 600?
• Ducati 848 - Love the looks, plus its a Ducati.  Wouldn't mind finding one of the older, smaller middleweight Ducs though.

Regardless of whether its any of these or something else, my next bike will, with a probability of .99, have EFI.  I don't really want to get a superbike, I don't know what the point is if you live in the city hours away from any racetrack.

Quote from: NF11624 on August 13, 2009, 02:10:51 PM

• R6s - Cheaper, slower (barely), more comfortable than the latest R6.  Also I prefer the looks to the current R6 too

the old r6 is the best looking yamaha ever....


With the exception of the R7, race version only though because those stupid mini headlights look awful.

BMW S1000RR FTW!

German Domination!

But I'll probably keep the 954 as my sport ride and get a wing next year, been jonesin for GL1800 for a few years now.

NF1 that R6 is Hawt! I'd ride that any day.

The only other bike I've ridden is a Honda Shadow Aero. It was different. So, I  just don't have a wide experience base in different bikes!

Mary

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on August 13, 2009, 09:59:41 AM

And Hayabusa. Yeah, guess that makes me a poser or a squid but I'd like it for sport touring!

Mary

Just take it to the drag strip once in a while.  Then they can't call you a poser. 

triumph speed triple

i like the new ninja 250's. i saw a new v-star 950 few weeks ago. i liked it too. 

Parallel twin cruiser - one of the triumph persuasion. Just waiting for shaft or belt drive. Not, I'll get an old rat and put a belt on it.
Or a R1200C.

Cool.
Buddha.

My wish list In random order

RC-51
Speed Triple
GSXR750
CBR1000RR
YZF R1

Quote from: dohabee on August 15, 2009, 08:09:35 PM
My wish list In random order

RC-51
Speed Triple
GSXR750
CBR1000RR
YZF R1

RC51 - I was seriously considering one of these. Someone offered me one in trade for my DR-Z. I started doing research... You want to talk race bike? These things are close to the epitome. They have one of the most aggressive riding positions you will ever encounter, and they are NOT meant for any sort of commuting or stop-and-go traffic. They are geared for the race track, and behave as such when at low speeds. 1st gear? You'd better be at near-WOT and shifting to second, otherwise you're in for a hell of a bike to try and control. They run EXTREMELY hot, and if you're in stop-and-go traffic, they can overheat, despite two radiators, fuel injection, etc. They are also quite heavy, and not that fast compared to other 1000cc bikes.

Speed Triple - 1050cc or nothing. Surprisingly easy bike to manage, but I wouldn't recommend jumping to that as a second bike unless you REALLY learn how to ride the GS. We're talking multiple track days, etc. It's easy to ride, but it's also easy to get into trouble. The thing is sneaky quick. Unbelievably flat torque curve and linear power delivery mean speed sneaks up on you quick, which can be pretty dangerous if you don't have the necessary skills.

GSX-R750 - A surprisingly livable supersport. If you find one that hasn't been ragged on, they will last you for however long you want. Completely track capable as well, this turns out to be a surprisingly good street bike. Again, as with the Speed Triple, a helluva big jump as a second bike, unless you REALLY know how to ride the GS into the ground, and even then care should be taken.

CBR1000RR, YZF-R1 - These aren't bikes I would recommend as a second bike, or even a third bike. Full on liter sportbikes like these require a lot of control to ride well. They have more than enough power to kill you three times over, and wouldn't think twice about doing so. Generally unridable to the limits by all but the most elite riders, these (in my experience) are ridden by people who are lazy and don't feel like using the available power in a 600 sport bike. Rarely ridden close to their potential, most are duck waving tools so a guy can say, "Yeah, I ride a liter bike." A GSX-R750 is a better choice all around as a street and a track bike. I rarely see someone who can truly ride one of these things, and I doubt you will either. In the twisties, very few riders can get away from a good rider on a smaller bikes. Liter bikes on the street are rarely fun because you don't really get to crank them open at all. It's not really worth it. You're going to have a lot more fun and become a better rider on a 600 supersport, if that's the sort of bike you're after.

Quote from: Alphamazing on August 16, 2009, 01:44:45 AM

GSX-R750 - A surprisingly livable supersport.

They may not be the flashiest looking bikes around, but I've always considered this to be pretty much the perfect sportbike. Weighs about as much as a 600, and pulls like a 1000. This is the bike I'm hoping to find when the time comes, but I'm not picky so if something else comes around for a good deal I'll take it.

Quote from: Alphamazing on August 16, 2009, 01:44:45 AM

CBR1000RR, YZF-R1 - these (in my experience) are ridden by people who are lazy and don't feel like using the available power in a 600 sport bike. Rarely ridden close to their potential,

That's exactly what I've been trying to describe for a while now and didn't really know how to say it right, I think you put it pretty well. That's the reason I'd love a larger bike. Not because I feel like I need to go 180mph, and not because I need to lift the front wheel sitting down when I'm going 130mph, and not because I think I need more power on twisty roads. It would just be nice to not have to keep your shifting in a certain rev range, or really have to think about it. Just twist the throttle and go, but that only works if you think you can remain calm and not be a jerk with all the power.

Quote from: Alphamazing on August 16, 2009, 01:44:45 AM

CBR1000RR, YZF-R1 - Generally unridable to the limits by all but the most elite riders, these (in my experience) are ridden by people who are lazy and don't feel like using the available power in a 600 sport bike.

Hit the nail on the head in my opinion, though I think you could say the same for a lot of people with 600s.

Quote from: tt_four on August 16, 2009, 06:47:20 AM
They may not be the flashiest looking bikes around, but I've always considered this to be pretty much the perfect sportbike. Weighs about as much as a 600, and pulls like a 1000. This is the bike I'm hoping to find when the time comes, but I'm not picky so if something else comes around for a good deal I'll take it.

To be quite honest, I am far more partial the the ZX-6R Ninja with the 636 motor and the Daytona 675 than any of the plain jane 600cc supersports. You want livable? The 636 is a surprisingly easy to ride bike on the street, faster than pretty mcuh every car out there, and that small increase in displacement really helps with the day-to-day ridability of the thing. The Daytona is a bit more drastic, from what I've gathered. Loves being in the twisties and on the track, easy to manage around town, but not as easy as the 636. The 636 can be a killer track tool as well. I'd choose either of these bikes over the GSX-R750 any day.

Quote from: tt_four on August 16, 2009, 06:47:20 AM
That's exactly what I've been trying to describe for a while now and didn't really know how to say it right, I think you put it pretty well. That's the reason I'd love a larger bike. Not because I feel like I need to go 180mph, and not because I need to lift the front wheel sitting down when I'm going 130mph, and not because I think I need more power on twisty roads. It would just be nice to not have to keep your shifting in a certain rev range, or really have to think about it. Just twist the throttle and go, but that only works if you think you can remain calm and not be a jerk with all the power.

The 600s can pull very, very quickly. Way faster than any car. 1000cc supersport bikes, in my opinion, are far faster than they need to be on the street. As for the not having to think about it part, that's exactly why these bikes are so dangerous. When you're riding, you SHOULD be thinking about it. You should be actively engaged riding the motorcycle. Lazy riding is BAD riding.

Quote from: NF11624 on August 16, 2009, 07:08:01 AM
Hit the nail on the head in my opinion, though I think you could say the same for a lot of people with 600s.

Yes, but 600s are far easier to ride quickly than a 1000. Normal people like you and me, with lots of practice, can begin exploring the boundries of a 600cc bike. I will never be able to ride a 1000cc bike to the limits. I know this, I accept this.

Quote from: Alphamazing on August 16, 2009, 02:40:52 PM

Quote from: NF11624 on August 16, 2009, 07:08:01 AM
Hit the nail on the head in my opinion, though I think you could say the same for a lot of people with 600s.

Yes, but 600s are far easier to ride quickly than a 1000. Normal people like you and me, with lots of practice, can begin exploring the boundries of a 600cc bike. I will never be able to ride a 1000cc bike to the limits. I know this, I accept this.

Thanks for calling me 'normal'   .  Haven't heard that one in a looong time.  I'm not giving up on my dream of becoming an elite superbike rider though .

Around here, there are no tracks (at least not for hundreds of miles afaik).  I guess I am jaded because a lot of guys on 600s around here apparently have no idea how to ride.  I saw one guy pull out into the street and he had to stop, put his feet down, and make sure he didn't fall over... and I had been talking to this guy a few days before and he is an 'experienced' rider.  I've ridden with guys who were afraid to go down a sweeping hill at more than 55 mph because it had rained 6 hours earlier and there were damp spots on the ground (cause the sun wasn't out).  I'll take the guys (and gals ) who put in the time on the little Ninjas and the GS over 90% of the SS crowd.

All that said, I would still love to have a SS in my garage .

Quote from: NF11624 on August 16, 2009, 04:45:31 PM
Around here, there are no tracks (at least not for hundreds of miles afaik).  I guess I am jaded because a lot of guys on 600s around here apparently have no idea how to ride.  I saw one guy pull out into the street and he had to stop, put his feet down, and make sure he didn't fall over... and I had been talking to this guy a few days before and he is an 'experienced' rider.  I've ridden with guys who were afraid to go down a sweeping hill at more than 55 mph because it had rained 6 hours earlier and there were damp spots on the ground (cause the sun wasn't out).  I'll take the guys (and gals ) who put in the time on the little Ninjas and the GS over 90% of the SS crowd.

All that said, I would still love to have a SS in my garage .

That's pretty standard wherever you go. New, idiot riders flood the 600cc sport bikes like raccoons on, well, anything. However, I've seen more truly good riders on 600s than on 1000s. And as for tracks near you... I've driven 150+ miles to go to track days before, and I don't see that as unreasonable at all.

Distances:
Texas World Speedway - 128 mi
Grand Sport Speedway - 200 mi
MSR Cresson - 208 mi

There are a few other tracks closer to me, like Harris Hill and Eagles Canyon, but I haven't been to those. All of these tracks are in Texas too! Driving to get to a track is part of the deal. Leave Friday evening after work, camp that evening, ride on Saturday, go home Saturday night. 

Could be an option... but I don't have a truck  .  And I think the closest ones are 400+ miles from me  

I plan on someday moving out west where there are plenty of tracks, but until then I will continue to work on my skills in what twisties I can find around here

Quote from: NF11624 on August 16, 2009, 05:45:33 PM
Could be an option... but I don't have a truck  .  And I think the closest ones are 400+ miles from me  

I doubt that... check local forums, talk to your local dealership, someone out there knows some more local track days. Someone in your area is going out that direction undoubtedly, see if you can bum a ride. Honestly, totally worth it.

Quote from: Alphamazing on August 16, 2009, 02:40:52 PM
As for the not having to think about it part, that's exactly why these bikes are so dangerous. When you're riding, you SHOULD be thinking about it. You should be actively engaged riding the motorcycle. Lazy riding is BAD riding...........

.........Yes, but 600s are far easier to ride quickly than a 1000.

I just have a hard time describing how I ride. There's a big difference between riding lazy(not looking before you change lanes, not actually putting effort into turning, not knowing every possible move of other cars around you), and treating the motor in a lazy manner(riding around in a higher gear below the peak hp, shifting less and not caring if you're using every last hit of hp you can squeeze out of an engine). Riding lazy will get you killed in a hurry, but trading up for some more hp instead of treating your bike like it's on a race track all the time sounds a lot safer to me. The fact that everyone always responds with something to do with using a bike beyond it's abilities and being faster on twisty roads and every thing else implies that I have absolutely no self control, and you're only trying to limit the amount of hp I should be able to have because I'm always going to be pushing a bike as hard as I can, and if i have more than 110hp I'm going to accelerate myself into some kind of black hole. There's more than one way to ride a motorcycle, and they don't all involve wringing your bikes neck just to see how far you can lean over in a corner, and how fast you can do so. I like to take my time, and if I happen to want to accelerate while I'm in 4th gear at 5k rpm, instead of having to drop down into 2nd gear like you would on a 600, I don't see what makes that so dangerous. I think hp is just a touchy subject with people who have smaller displacement bikes, and for some reason I always see people here encouraged to ride a smaller bike extremely hard instead riding a bigger bike responsibly, just to prove that they can?

I live in the city and work 4 miles from my house, and considering I'm not going to pay $15 a day just to be lazy and drive a car 5 minutes into the middle of downtown(25 minutes considering the rush hour of my standard 9-5 job), I just bicycle to work. Not to mention my 15-20 minute ride is faster than it would be to walk from the parking garage to my building, and I'm not even going to describe what a mess it would be if I rode the bus, so anyway, if there's one person here that can survive in a world a car drivers who refuse to pay attention, road hazards, and fine control of a vehicle on 2 wheels, it'd be me.

Ehh i think my riding days for hte most part are over  , ill ride whatever someone offers me to ride.