http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/mcy/1419749749.html

I wouldn't pay that much to go to Baylor.

LMAO

And look at the effect of that college -

This bike is virtually new 2009 less than 1000 miles, 500 mile service done by mitchells cycle sports in waco. I need to seel for college tuition.

Yea, he needs to seel, its priced to seel dude. I think he's getting education to be a seelsman.
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Buddha.

Even though that was a joke, I'm still going to complain that college IS way too expensive. Between my junior and senior year tuition went up 14%! Nothing in this country has messed up inflation rates of 14% a year except for colleges. Rediculous. I'm real glad I got the first half done at community college, and stuck to one major the entire way through. The one girl I started working with started out at a law school, has $60k in school loans, and still ended up at the same job that me and my $10k in loans ended up at. She's totally gonna have hers payed off before I do too though because she lives with her mom.    I could afford so much cool shaZam! if I lived with my mom. If I wasn't married I'd move back.

That my friend is why college is really over rated. For kids its a sorta status symbol. I'm going to college. That needs to be suffixed with ... to study worthless crap like medival history just like 3 million others all of whom will be competing with me for the 500 teacher positions, following which they will compete with me for burger flipping.

Oh yea, there is also 3 million people studying CSI science. Aint it cool, 1/2 of them are planning to be criminals and the other 1/2 will be the ones doing CSI work on these crimes.

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Buddha.

Oh yea, UNC charlotte has opened a "motorsports" program, or they have expanded it.
What next, cars that can only go in straight line or only make left turns. Oh wait a minute. Bad example.
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Quote from: The Buddha on October 15, 2009, 10:08:30 AM
That my friend is why college is really over rated. For kids its a sorta status symbol. I'm going to college. That needs to be suffixed with ... to study worthless crap like medival history just like 3 million others all of whom will be competing with me for the 500 teacher positions, following which they will compete with me for burger flipping.

Oh yea, there is also 3 million people studying CSI science. Aint it cool, 1/2 of them are planning to be criminals and the other 1/2 will be the ones doing CSI work on these crimes.

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Buddha.

and the rest will be the ones, figurign out how NOT to get caught , and the nascar program is for those who fail the F1 course, edit: , OR as far sa turning left, isnt that for lberals?, how did  that get into a motorsports program?

Quote from: tt_four on October 14, 2009, 07:07:32 PM
Even though that was a joke, I'm still going to complain that college IS way too expensive. Between my junior and senior year tuition went up 14%! Nothing in this country has messed up inflation rates of 14% a year except for colleges. Rediculous. I'm real glad I got the first half done at community college, and stuck to one major the entire way through. The one girl I started working with started out at a law school, has $60k in school loans, and still ended up at the same job that me and my $10k in loans ended up at. She's totally gonna have hers payed off before I do too though because she lives with her mom.    I could afford so much cool oh my goodness if I lived with my mom. If I wasn't married I'd move back.

There is one other market in the US that experienced annual inflation rates of 14% or greater for a time:  real estate.  Seems like a pretty unsustainable rate, doesn't it?  Makes me wonder if college tuition is headed for a 'bubble' effect as well.  Eventually, something will have to give.

I went to college for 11 years and borrowed somewhere in the neighborhood of 44k$ to help me get through it (parents helped with undergrad, and I took care of the rest of grad school myself).  I completed my schooling three years ago and have never regretted the debt or the time spent on it for a single minute since.  The people who go to college and end up flipping burgers are doing so by their own choice, not because college is useless.  Those who make a decision to use higher education as a career tool significantly increase their odds of success by doing so.  Those who choose to fart around, major in basket weaving and play beer pong every night are mortgaging their own futures; the institution of college has nothing to do with it.

Having said all of that, if you were to double the amount of my student debt (and my payments), I think I might have second thoughts about my choices!

P.S.  I really like the new ninjas, but I'd rather have those student loans paid off.  I think I'll take a pass on that guy's ad 

I think it's one of those deals where someone forced him to sell, but he basically put it up for sale with a price that he'd be willing to part with.


There was a Ducati Des. on eBay months back with the same story. Guy put on the ebay listing that his wife was forcing him to sell it.  He put it up for sale, but with an outrageous selling price at 10,000,000 if I recall correctly.

She was happy he was trying to sell it.
He was willing to sell it at that price...  either he'd get TONS of moola, or he keeps the bike if there were no buyers.


Smart man. 

Quote from: vtlion on October 17, 2009, 05:43:45 AM


I went to college for 11 years and borrowed somewhere in the neighborhood of 44k$ to help me get through it (parents helped with undergrad, and I took care of the rest of grad school myself).  I completed my schooling three years ago and have never regretted the debt or the time spent on it for a single minute since.  The people who go to college and end up flipping burgers are doing so by their own choice, not because college is useless.  Those who make a decision to use higher education as a career tool significantly increase their odds of success by doing so.  Those who choose to fart around, major in basket weaving and play beer pong every night are mortgaging their own futures; the institution of college has nothing to do with it.

Correct. People tend to go to college because of a few reasons.
1. someone has told them they can have this much $$$ if they would go to college. Only pay it back later.
2. They think college is a status symbol.
3. They think they should have everything now that they are in college, and they need to relax and enjoy life.
4. They want to avoid things they were not good at. Like math and physics.

For which I really blame the school system. They dont get that if you miss the fundamentals you will never understand everything that comes after.
Every one is good enough to get a useful college degree in something that should get them employment in the field of study. Except that they have been ignored when it counted.

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Quote from: The Buddha on October 18, 2009, 07:11:48 AM

Correct. People tend to go to college because of a few reasons.
1. someone has told them they can have this much $$$ if they would go to college. Only pay it back later.
2. They think college is a status symbol.
3. They think they should have everything now that they are in college, and they need to relax and enjoy life.
4. They want to avoid things they were not good at. Like math and physics.

You forgot three more reasons people go to college...

5.  Because it is a requirement for most GOOD jobs.
6.  It can be a great personal challenge.
7.  Because only 2% of people holding a bachelors degree are unemployed, as opposed to over 10% of non college grads.  

Buddha, I have to disagree with you.  Most people do not go to school to get a bulloh my goodness degree.

I go to college and I'm two semesters away from getting my B.S. in Biology.  Although I hate physics and math, I still take it bc it's required.

Even if a student goes for a "crap" degree, they still need to take at least a basic math course.

Yeah Buddah, you're dead wrong on all of that.

As has been mentioned, if you want a GOOD job you NEED to go to college. I am now in grad school so that I'll have an even better chance of holding a job that I want and like in an economic down turn.

Don't forget that college graduates get paid significantly more, and have the opportunity to find jobs that they want, and ENJOY doing.

As for avoiding things I'm not good at... I went to college to PURSUE math and physics. A BS in Mechanical Engineering, and now pursuing a MS in Materials Science, I have to contend with stuff that I still hate, and college forces you to deal with things you don't like, from people, to classes, to professors, etc.

So yeah. You're wrong.

The reason I'm in college is because a degree is required to get hired by an airline.

It didn't used to be that way, my first instructor flew for Braniff for 30 years and had no degree.

If I could get hired without a degree I would not be in school right now.

For me it is not about personal enrichment, it's just a means to an end.

It's not that I don't work hard at it (it's my last semester and I have a 4.0 GPA) I would just rather be flying jets NOW.

I'm one of those rare people without a degree that has a good job, I will never be the head of my section even though I have more experience and knowledge of the systems we are using because of that very reason.

My wife has a double bachelors, almost has her masters and has enough 5000 and 6000 level course credits to have had a doctorate if she had been in anything other than vet med when she left school, she is a microbiologist and administartor for the largest reference lab in the state. She is also an adjunct professor for the community college and will be an adjunct for a 4 year institute next year when they open their MT school. She gets paid pretty good money for teaching stuff that's really easy for her.

Yeah education is so over rated.... /sarcasm

OK bettingpython, ver4, dohabee, alpha, ineedanap, you are all correct. However you are actually studying real world subjects. Engineering, medicine or related - like me - civil engineer here with enough credits to cover most of the pre req's for a Comp sci grad program. However you are the exception.
Not one of you has a bachelors in CSI or auto racing.
Please, dont twist my words. I really believe in education, I just dont believe in education for education's sake. Going to college, just because TV ad's tell you to.
I want to see college programs made relevant to life, and really the programs should have a number of openings proportional to the requirements in reality. We cannot be graduating 300,000 CSI's when there is barely 500 needed a year. I am finding it hard to explain. Maybe CSI needs to be a grad level program only, and it could be a course where some electives are offered to the bio science under grads. Just give em a taste, let them find work as CSI's and then go to a grad program in CSI'ing. Same with auto racing. You first need to be a mechanical engineer or aero or something.

Bettingpython: I am pretty similar to you. I have worked 15 years as a software engineer, and have a bachelors in civil engineering.

Again I am not trashing education. Only trashing the reasons, the way they pay for them and what they study these days. I wont be pushing my son the way I am if I didn't believe in education. Its become a status symbol and hence costs like one. That is also something I'd like to see stop. China and India are going to run rough shod over us because of these and many other reasons.

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Buddha.

Oh yea you want proof there is a lot of worthless arts and other media related program graduates, look at the mass of media garbage that is swirling around the balloon boy, Jon and kate + 8 garbage, Octomom and any other 2 bit hack whose pic is on the papers/TV.

Seriously, real journalists will not touch that, however we have a million of the fake ones, you know ones that went to school to study something and learnt how to yak in front of a camera ... co they are swarming anything that seems vaguely intersting.

Seriously we need to educate less people in useless junk, and educate more people in the real world sciences or we will ahve to buy everything from china cos no one is going to know how to make or fix anything.

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Buddha.

CSI is actually a pretty intense subject that covers a wide range of sciences, from chemistry and physics, to engineering and biology. Forensic entomology, for example, is a pretty research intensive field, attempting to study how different environmental and other aspects will affect the time at which various insects will lay their eggs on the dead flesh, allowing better predictions for time of day. A lot of CSI work is definitely lab stuff, but without the knowledge of what you're doing and what you're looking for, the information isn't credible, and therefore useless.

There are even specific fields of engineering that concentrate on the forensic aspect of the science, such as how various materials fracture, and what that indicates in the scene of a crime. Or how a car crash can indicate things about what happened based on positioning of the vehicles, the way they deformed, etc.

As for the balloon boy thing, that's what people wanted to see, so that's what the media covered. It's just business.