Quote from: jserio on January 25, 2010, 04:17:20 PM
I think not being able to affect a motorcycle right now is affecting my health. Can I just go buy one and have them bill my health insurance? After all, isn't a persons "health" also linked to their happiness? 





Okay, now to be serious. I'm all for making changes to our current health care system because, yes, it does have issues. However, I'm not for, "change, just for the sake of change". We won't know what works best until we get something going. I don't see what is so difficult about spotting the problem and them implementing a solution for it. For example, it's a pain in the ass to keep track of your medical records. Why isn't all that info kept in one centralized database that any hospital anywhere can access? This would speed up the process of treating patients and cut down on fraud too I believe. How many of you have gone to the doctor and have to answer the same 50 billion questions 3 times before you even see the doctor? Cut down some of the waste and red tape. Why do procedures need a 15 digit "code" for billing? Call it what it is and there won't be as many mix ups. Instead of billing your insurance for "code 1589988711664" just call it, regular check up, or whatever the hell it is. Make ALL procedures termed universally to cut down the confusion at the insurance companies.

Dont try me jserio, way things are right now id try it. have the doctor prescribe me a ducati 1098 for sunny day therapy, and an 82 ferrari 308 gt4 for foul weather doldrums. hehe, naah i couldnt do it. tempting if it had a rats chance in hell of going through, but ehhhhh. first things first. gotta find a house

Change just for the sake of change does 1 thing ... its breaks the strangle hold insurance companies and pharma and hospitals have on the current system. They resist and lobby because they are jockeying for position. Change things at random and that will give them the "rug pulled out from under their feet feeling". That would lead them to reduce their meddling while the actual reforms are implemented.

I dunno it also sounds like a bad plan.

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Buddha.

I don't think it's a good plan, but having no plan is destroying us.

Having gubbamint in health care will do 1 thing - the bills and what not the various insurance companies need to be submitted this way and that, There is 2 people per insurance company in any medium sized doc practice in the billing dept. I used to support one of them, there was 2 BCBC, 2 Aetna, 2 cigna experts. There were 2 medicare/medicaid experts and they did 3X the volume of the next highest company. So there is less overhead if there is 1 company. Medicare/aid is very low on payments, 1/2 to 1/10 ... but the billing overhead is also 1/10th. Maybe there is an advantage top having just 1. Less variation in paperwork.

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Buddha.

Heh idk, there is no information on how this thing would be implemented, or as obama said, its a healthcare emergency, yet it wouldnt be implemented for 4 years? like today he was talking about a spending freeze... in '11, anyway, back on topic, i dont know how they'd run a healthcare plan, ( lack of information) i honestly think the govt doesnt know tbh. sounds like if it were to be started theyd learn as they go?, ive seen all there is to see, and regardign the healthcare option, theres not much on " how well run it"

Wow, three pages in and no one has swayed the opinion of the other side.  Shocking.

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 26, 2010, 08:21:34 PMi dont know how they'd run a healthcare plan, ( lack of information) i honestly think the govt doesnt know tbh. sounds like if it were to be started theyd learn as they go?, ive seen all there is to see, and regardign the healthcare option, theres not much on " how well run it"

Actually there's a lot on how they run a health care plan.   Look at Medicare.  MUCH lower costs than private health insurance.  There is a  lot to be gained by going to a single-payer system, and it does not require government ownership of hospitals and clinics.  The Medicare model is a pretty convincing argument that it saves money when private insurers (leeches) are left out of the loop.

Medicare for everyone SHOULD be the plan.  But the corporations rule the world, and will increasingly do so after the Supreme Court ruling last week.  Gotta love that "non-activist" conservative majority which in this case struck down almost a century of case law and overturned laws in 22 states.  Liars, corporate whores, and thieves -- brought to you by the GOP.

Quote from: The Buddha on January 26, 2010, 10:12:51 AM
Having gubbamint in health care will do 1 thing - the bills and what not the various insurance companies need to be submitted this way and that, There is 2 people per insurance company in any medium sized doc practice in the billing dept. I used to support one of them, there was 2 BCBC, 2 Aetna, 2 cigna experts. There were 2 medicare/medicaid experts and they did 3X the volume of the next highest company. So there is less overhead if there is 1 company. Medicare/aid is very low on payments, 1/2 to 1/10 ... but the billing overhead is also 1/10th. Maybe there is an advantage top having just 1. Less variation in paperwork.

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Buddha.

TG any truth to this? what buddha says? isee one positive tho the overhear. ill admit that, hell im ineligible for medicaid though, and since i dont draw disability i cannot get medicare. so unless the core requirements, and what is allowed IN changes, im still out   heh, coprs BOTH sides in this country are enslaved by them, how do we change that?

I have heard it on NPR and that was what triggered my memory cos I worked for them back in 04-05.
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Buddha.

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 26, 2010, 11:47:41 PMheh, corps BOTH sides in this country are enslaved by them, how do we change that?

Thanks to Justice John Roberts, this two years is our absolute last chance to change it.
If we go through the next election cycle with unlimited corporate funding of elections,
we'll never see another that will be remotely related to whatever it is that the people want.

Think about  this. China holds a billion dollars in Treasury securities. They already have wholly-owned corporations here.
Any lobbyist will tell you that dollars spent in Washington are the best investment you can make.
If China invests just two tenths of one percent of our own debt that they hold, they will have two billion dollars
to spend influencing elections nationwide. That's roughly as much as was spent total in the last national cycle, only it
would all be coordinated and organized in a single direction. Shell corporations mean nobody could prove who was behind it.

Anybody can form a corporation in Delaware for $150. Colombian drug cartel. Russian Mafia.

Dubwise scary and yes 100% true.

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Buddha.

Yama, I agree that Congressmen from both parties are corporate whores.  However, the number on the GOP side has to approach 100%.  With the Dems, it is probably 80% on the Senate side and 70% in the house.  In the Supreme Court, the 5 member conservative majority is definitely corporate-owned.

Don't people get a voice anymore?  Real people?

Quote from: trumpetguy on January 27, 2010, 03:58:07 PM
Yama, I agree that Congressmen from both parties are corporate whores.  However, the number on the GOP side has to approach 100%.  With the Dems, it is probably 80% on the Senate side and 70% in the house.  In the Supreme Court, the 5 member conservative majority is definitely corporate-owned.

Don't people get a voice anymore?  Real people?

1% over ZERO is too many, and i fear it will never change. ive not seen an honest politician in a very long time. and TG although i accept your posting ill say im not sure of the accuracy of the numbers. but ill agree its high . because NO elected official will  willing admit to being a corporate whore. and sadly since the supreme court is a lifetime job, one way or the other there will be a majority there. no matter whos. ive not  a problem wiht conservatives, NOR do i have a problem with liberals. AS LONG AS they listen to the people and are fair

Guys, it's not about republican and democrat.  Both parties are run by "progressives" who are really liberal socialist elitists who believe the constitution must go because it limits the size and scope of the federal government.  They're trying to overload the system (and doing a damn good job of it) so they can replace our system with a new one, one without a constitution.  If the people got rid of all the "progressives" in both parties they'd find a perfectly good system that works better than any governmental system ever devised.  We already have gobs of federal power, too much.

Look what has happened in past decades and you'll see what I mean.  The majority of Americans are not "progressives".  Every time a "progressive" gets elected the people get pissed at their "progressive" initiatives that always cause damage to our economy and liberty.  There has only been one president since WWII that wasn't a "progressive", and that was Ronald Reagan.  Love him or hate him, Reagan is the most popular president we've had since WWII, proving my point.  Reagan wasn't perfect in my opinion, but he's the only one who didn't encourage the growth of federal power.

Obama is doing nothing new, he's just stepping on the gas harder than any president I've ever seen.

I shake my head when I read about people loving the Bushes and hating the Kennedys or loving the Kennedys and hating the Bushes.  They are all progressives, so those who feel that way are completely missing the big picture.

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 23, 2010, 01:09:02 AM
bill this is true. also ( correct me if i am wrong please) didnt we also support the taliban, while they were at war with soviet russia?

Yama, we helped the Mujahideen (Afghan freedom fighters, as they were called by reporters) fight the Russians and the Marxist government of Afghanistan 30 years ago.  The Taliban is an extremist Sunni Islamist movement that didn't take-over Afghanistan until 1996.

Quote from: bill14224 on February 01, 2010, 05:07:39 PM
Guys, it's not about republican and democrat.  Both parties are run by "progressives" who are really liberal socialist elitists who believe the constitution must go because it limits the size and scope of the federal government.  They're trying to overload the system (and doing a damn good job of it) so they can replace our system with a new one, one without a constitution.  If the people got rid of all the "progressives" in both parties they'd find a perfectly good system that works better than any governmental system ever devised.  We already have gobs of federal power, too much.

Look what has happened in past decades and you'll see what I mean.  The majority of Americans are not "progressives".  Every time a "progressive" gets elected the people get pissed at their "progressive" initiatives that always cause damage to our economy and liberty.  There has only been one president since WWII that wasn't a "progressive", and that was Ronald Reagan.  Love him or hate him, Reagan is the most popular president we've had since WWII, proving my point.  Reagan wasn't perfect in my opinion, but he's the only one who didn't encourage the growth of federal power.

Obama is doing nothing new, he's just stepping on the gas harder than any president I've ever seen.

I shake my head when I read about people loving the Bushes and hating the Kennedys or loving the Kennedys and hating the Bushes.  They are all progressives, so those who feel that way are completely missing the big picture.

I'd love to respond, but there's no arguing with your "logic."  What brand of tin foil do you use for your hat, BTW?

Right there with you, tg.
I looked at his messages and went "Huh.  ... Liberal socialist elitists.  ... Ummm. ...   Huh."

I wonder what country he lives in?

Quote from: trumpetguy on February 02, 2010, 08:35:06 AM... What brand of tin foil do you use for your hat, BTW?

Only the best Reynolds wrap FTW

Oh Fook Try this ...

Ambulance company has been sending me bills for over a G, right (apparently the base cost is 747 bucks, and then its $16 a mile for getting back to hospital) ... OK and I am trying to call them, and with over an hour of hold time at times before getting to a person, and I find out they sent my bill to aetna - nice, my insurance co is cigna. Great. That was in dec.

Now again they are trying to collect $ from me, I get whopping mad and I call cigna and they say, they never had a bill for this come through and likely that it will get reimbursed cos its a genuine situation, kid fainting in school is serious for teh school to pull out all the stops etc etc ... I ask them what they pay ambulance for a 16 mile run, and they ask was it in the same county etc etc and they go, oh that is a standard 125 unless they stabilised the patient before transport. In his case it was scoop and run so its 125.

Then I call the geniuses @ the billing (bilking) department and find out, they sent it to cigna all right, but without the right insurance ID WTF, its on the bill they sent me ...

Freaking scam I tells ya ... all of em, trying to rip off the buddha. Trying to get 1000+ for a 125 bill.

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Buddha.

I buy my tin foil at Aldi but I've yet to make a hat with it.  The aliens have better thought control technology now so tin foil no longer works.

You need to pay more attention and read more rather than rely on what people tell you, including me.  Read about the history of the progressive movement from Karl Marx through Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Prescott Bush, Joe Kennedy, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler's Nazi party, Mussolini and his biggest fan George Bernard Shaw, FDR, and Mao Tse Tung.  You'll see what I'm talking about.  Their beliefs and policies are so much the same it's downright frightening and they're still in practice today.  All these people despised not only wealthy people, but anyone who wasn't just like them.  They all had a very negative view of humanity and think it's the government's job to save humanity from itself.  They have it completely backwards.

Both parties are trying to take our whole lives over and it's up to the people to stop them.  Only you can protect your liberty, don't kid yourselves.  Once you get a good understanding of the constitution you'll see that income tax, the federal reserve, social security, joining the U.N., and many other things we've done are unconstitutional and we're following a path to serfdom.  If you believe your rights come from the government rather than your creator you don't understand the constitution and you're already thinking like a serf.  Big government is no one's friend unless you're in the ruling elite.  You may think you're safe because you're in a union.  Read about what Stalin did to the unions once they put him in complete power.  They thought he was on their side.  Boy, were they wrong.

If you really hate to read old books go find some immigrants from Eastern Europe and ask them.  If that doesn't wake you up, nothing will.