Quote from: badguy on February 16, 2010, 07:15:23 AM

Quote from: johnny ro on February 15, 2010, 05:31:22 PM
If you intend to skip gage step, then hold carbs on bench, look into mouth from engine side. You can see one or the other open up as you twist screw one way and the other. Get it to where you cant tell, in the middle, which is moving, then count turns one way and the other to where you can tell a few times, and then rotate halfway through the total turns to get in the middle. I got very close doing this according to the gages I hooked up afterwards.

I think I know what you're saying - do you mean to turn the adjuster screw until you see one butterfly open, then turn the adjuster screw the other way and count the number of turns until the other butterfly opens.  Setting the adjuster screw halfway between these points will give you a pretty good synch.  Is that the gist of it?


Yes, although I got it to where I could just feel the halfway point between two openings, was not deliberately counting like when I back out an idle air screw. Its not far to each side to see it move.

Ok. So I asked the question.... a few questions actually. And here's the low down...

#1: Suzuki plays things close to their chest. Dealers are not told too much about upcoming models or changes. So if a FI GS500 was to be out the first the dealers would know is when Suzuki calls them and says, "Hey schmucks, we now have EFI GS500s in the warehouse." (Of course, like he said, if people New an EFI version was coming they wouldn't by the carb version. That being the case, what he says could also be BS as he Makes Up a reason why he doesn't tell you of any upcoming EFI version cause he wants to sell the carbs they have in stock. BUT, being just a salesman his boss could also withhold info from him. All Secret Squirrel to me.)

#2: What is available in Australia is via Agrrement w/ Suzuki Japan. New Zealand can buy from wherever, but Australia buys only from the one source in Japan. So NZ can see different models - maybe meant for Europe - that Aust won't ever see due to the agreement to only buy from one source. I assume, this is why there are no Naked GS500s available in the USA while we in Australia still have them available.

#3: Those wanting the V twin 650 in a naked are pointed towards the Gladius. Which is meant as a Fun Commuter. Hence the smaller gas tank.

#4: When people take a GSR600, GSX650F and a Gladius for a test ride, they almost always buy the Gladius or 650F and not the GSR. For whatever reason the other two feel better to ride. Although, I am sure Cost plays a factor as well with the GSR selling for around a grand more and the SV650, GSX650 and Gladius all selling for the same price.

#5: Yamaha's FZ is a bike which sits in the middle of a range. And isn't really anything in particular. And they (Yamaha) have a hard time selling 2nd hand ones. Of course, he being a Suzuki salesman has a vested interest in steering people away from the Yamaha range.

#6: All the info on discountnewbikes.com.au comes from dealers.

#7: The better place to get bike info is from globalsuzuki.com which is where they (the salesmen) will go for downloadable and printable brochures. (Interesting that the SV650 naked is still shown there - though the salesman did tell me they sold their last SV650 naked about a month a go).

#8: Suzuki's main areas they are concentrating on are their core sport bikes and cruisers.

#9: The engine in the Gladius is closer to a Vstrom than a SV650.

#10: Europe's emmissions standards are different to Australia's and Japan's - which are quite good anyway. Hence the continued use of carbs in the GS500 as they still enable the bike to meet the emissions standards of both those countries.

And that is it.

Michael

Wow, thank you for that information Michael. I will use this for my better knowledge. You know your stuff.
Now, off to beat you to the last poster thread. 

Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 16, 2010, 12:25:43 PMAgreed, I did paint with a very broad brush, and I do know people that can ride a sport bike all day myself 

I also forgot to mention that I'd switch to handlebars from the clipons if I were keeping the SV on the street, haha.  You definitely made good points, I just wanted to include the other side of the story  

Quote from: johnny ro on February 16, 2010, 07:04:13 PM

Quote from: badguy on February 16, 2010, 07:15:23 AM
I think I know what you're saying - do you mean to turn the adjuster screw until you see one butterfly open, then turn the adjuster screw the other way and count the number of turns until the other butterfly opens.  Setting the adjuster screw halfway between these points will give you a pretty good synch.  Is that the gist of it?

Yes, although I got it to where I could just feel the halfway point between two openings, was not deliberately counting like when I back out an idle air screw. Its not far to each side to see it move.

Cool, I tried it last night and there didn't seem to be enough movement in the adjuster screw to actually count turns, but like you said, I just went for the feel of the halfway point.  Thanks 

I feel it all depends on your riding condition,  if you regularly go on 300 mile trips, you can handle that on your bike, and with condition, you can always lose it and develop it.  It took me a good month of riding before i could actually go on distant trips without feeling it in my ass and back.  Which I will have to develop again this spring as I have plans of doing some long trips as both my siblings live over 200 miles away.  Towards the end of last season i could ride for hours before I had finally had enough.  And what I understand about the newer FZ1s is that they are essentially the same bike as the R1, but with a different riding position, but other than that motor and drive chain are the same. Which is why I think my next bike will be an FZ1. Although I have looked into Bandits.

Quote from: glynnd89 on February 17, 2010, 12:19:44 PM
I feel it all depends on your riding condition,  if you regularly go on 300 mile trips, you can handle that on your bike, and with condition, you can always lose it and develop it.  It took me a good month of riding before i could actually go on distant trips without feeling it in my ass and back.  Which I will have to develop again this spring as I have plans of doing some long trips as both my siblings live over 200 miles away.  Towards the end of last season i could ride for hours before I had finally had enough.  And what I understand about the newer FZ1s is that they are essentially the same bike as the R1, but with a different riding position, but other than that motor and drive chain are the same. Which is why I think my next bike will be an FZ1. Although I have looked into Bandits.

Good points about the conditioning. 

As far as the FZ1 - it's basically the same engine, but tuned a little differently.  Still a monster though 

I know the original FZ1 was tuned differently, but i was informed that the 07s and up i believe is no difference in tuning. Heard this from a mechanic at the dealer, not a salesmen, so i assume the source is reliable.

Well, the new FZ1s don't have a crossplane crankshaft, so I know that's a big difference between them and the R1.  Even if you look at the specs on Yamaha's website they quote different compression ratios.  I think you might have to question your source

Sorry for the threadjack 

Suzuki Stevo. How or what do you plug the extra hose with on the hard to get ports? Again thanks everyone for the great info.

Quote from: dread_au on February 20, 2010, 01:43:51 PM
Suzuki Stevo. How or what do you plug the extra hose with on the hard to get ports? Again thanks everyone for the great info.

Without looking I think I just put a screw in the end of the hose, I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the V-Strom anyway?