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Be careful on marker lights and other decorative lighting

Started by adidasguy, July 05, 2010, 01:29:30 PM

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adidasguy

I added integrated side marker lights which were blue and have orange turn signals. The Seattle Police department pulled me over because of the blue marker lights. They were nice . Issued no tickets and will send me a brochure they prepared regarding what is legal and illegal. He was quite impressed with my SOC business card. I think that one fact made him very friendly, informative and helpful (and no tickets either).

Adding marker lights and other lighting on your bike to make it more attractive at night can be illegal in the United States. Blue is reserved for police by the DOT. Red is for emergency vehicles and stop lights. White, orange, yellow and (I think) green are legal colors. They feel purple is too close to blue to be legal. They did not mention maroon, but probably they would consider that to be red. I know there is a lot of gray area here as I have seen trucks with red marker lights. The restrictions may have more to do with bikes because he said  some bikers imitate the police to pull over people and rob or rape them.

If someone has integrated turn signal/tail light and removes the factory turn signals they are also illegal. DOT has requirements for a minimum distance between turn signals.

He said he "profiled" my bike before pulling me over and noticed it was legal and mentioned: rear reflector is required! Spacing between turn signals a DOT requirement! License place properly displayed, illuminated and visible (can't have it mounted high at an angle that can't be read as is done often when bikes get a tailectomy).

He said anything reflective is OK. So blue wheel reflective tape is OK. I forgot to ask what the difference is between white light on blue reflective tape versus blue light on white reflective tape. Seems it would have the same appearance. When I get the booklet from him I'll contact him and ask that question.

So ride on the street: be sure you're legal! And be sure you have a motorcycle endorsement on your license!

Added note: Ground lighting is also illegal. That is, lights which shine on the ground below the bike. Any "Lighting which is visible" must be of the proper color. The blue lighting I added inside the fairings would be illegal at night, but white is OK. Then again, the inside of the fairing is blue plastic so that brings up another question of white light reflecting off of blue versus blue lighting reflecting off of white. I'll wait for the brochure then contact him for clarification.


Homer


jrains89

depends on state laws, for example in kansas you can have blue lights as long as they don't flash, and you can have ground lighting as long as it's not flashing, i don't exactly remember what colors and all but blue are definitely allowed. I got pulled over for speeding, talked to the cop for a long time and asked him how legal my lighting was and he said everything was fine - let me off with a warning guess because i was so nice.
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bassmechanicsz

Yeah typically the laws all vary from state to state.  I know in NJ any blue light is illegal without a valid permit which can only be aquired if you are a volunteer firefighter or rescue squad and then you can only use those lights if called for an emergency.  As far as other glowing lights in NJ alot of it is at the discretion of the police officer or DOT for inspection as to whether or not they declare it as "distracting to other drivers".  Also what a cop will say is perfectly legal and is nothing wrong with it the DMV can fail you for inspection for because they don't like it.
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007brendan

I've never heard of a minimum distance between turn signals as part of DOT approval.  I've driven in 3 states, Delaware, West Virginia, and California, and I've never seen an issue with integrated taillights.  Delaware doesn't even require turn signals! 
"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement."

adidasguy

Seems a lot depends on interpretation and local laws. Seems that federal law requires a separation of turn signals, but integrated is OK as long as there is a separation between the left and right signals of 4 inches or more. I know many integrated tail lights have no separation between the turn signals. The document also states you must have reflectors on the tail, back sides (red) and front sides (amber).

I found this regarding motorcycle requirements on

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/maninfo/mcpkg002.pdf

Motorcycle Turn Signals
==================
At or near the front - 1 amber on
each side of the vertical centerline at
the same height, and having a
minimum horizontal separation
distance (centerline of lamps) of 16
inches. Minimum edge to edge
separation distance between lamp
and headlamp is 4 inches.
At or near the rear - 1 red or amber
on each side of the vertical
centerline, at the same height and
having a minimum horizontal
separation distance (centerline to
centerline of lamps) of 9 inches.
Minimum edge to edge separation
distance between lamp and tail or
stop lamp is 4 inches, when a single
stop and tail lamp is installed on the
vertical centerline and the turn
signal lamps are red.

007brendan

The difference is that the Federal regulations only apply to the *Sale* and import of vehicles, but not the operation of them, that's left to the States.  Even in the individual States you see that type of legislation that deals with the sale of vehicles, but not with operation.

For instance, in Delaware, every new motorcycle is required to be sold with turn signals, but you are under no obligation to drive it that way.  It's completely legal to remove them and use hand signals.
"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement."

adidasguy

Good point. Federal, state and local laws are a cluster f%$#k to try to figure out.

I guess the best suggestion is go as your local police department what you can and can't do before you do it (or hope you get a nice officer if you're caught with something illegal in your area).

I'm switching to white, but leaving the blue on a separate switch because it looks better that way and it is OK here to have blue lights when "posing" or "taking photos". Engine on: white. Engine off: blue. Problem solved.

There are so many ways to "farkel" your ride that you can do some amazing things and still be legal in your area.


gregvhen

dont want to sound dumb, but what does SOC stand for?

kman

you could always leave you're lights and mirrors stock if you don't want any trouble...

adidasguy

SOC is the Suzuki Owners Club. Check it out. They do a lot for the sport and have many local chapters. Our local Seattle chapters organize monthly group rides and other events for local charities.

http://www.suzukiownersclub.org/usa/





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