I posted a while back that I had unexpectedly gotten a increase in mileage by switching over to E3 plugs. It took very little time for detractors to take exception to the validity of my data. Well that trip I got 57 mpg riding 2 up (my wife and I) where I had been getting 50 or so on trips taken over the exact same roads. My speedo is broken and I don't check mileage every day, only on long trips that usually include my wife. Well We just went 508 miles in 3 days riding 2 up and used 8.9 gallons of fuel. That works out to 57 mpg, again. The mileage was measured on a Magellan 2000 GPS and double checked with a Tom Tom. The fuel was put into the bike with me on it and the level of the fuel in the tank was the same every fill up. Believe it or not these plugs have given my 06 GS500F a significant boost in fuel economy.   

Quote from: lilwoody on July 25, 2010, 09:46:25 PM
I posted a while back that I had unexpectedly gotten a increase in mileage by switching over to E3 plugs. It took very little time for detractors to take exception to the validity of my data. Well that trip I got 57 mpg riding 2 up (my wife and I) where I had been getting 50 or so on trips taken over the exact same roads. My speedo is broken and I don't check mileage every day, only on long trips that usually include my wife. Well We just went 508 miles in 3 days riding 2 up and used 8.9 gallons of fuel. That works out to 57 mpg, again. The mileage was measured on a Magellan 2000 GPS and double checked with a Tom Tom. The fuel was put into the bike with me on it and the level of the fuel in the tank was the same every fill up. Believe it or not these plugs have given my 06 GS500F a significant boost in fuel economy.   

Hardly a scientific test, however.

But I could make the case that your plugs are ruining your gas mileage, as I get 66 MPG on the stock factory plugs.  I have run the same course, (160 miles) every Saturday and every Sunday for 6 weeks now, and the mileage is 66 every time!




Cookie

Thanks for the info woody. That's one more data point. It would be nice to get the numbers for each fill-up, as that would give an indication of the spread of the data.  But I know that's tough to do when your speedometer is broken.

Quote from: twocool on July 26, 2010, 04:14:57 AM
But I could make the case that your plugs are ruining your gas mileage,

No, you can't.

Can Too!

Your turn Paulie.

Ok, I was short with my last post because I was using my phone and posting sux with that.

I should have said that with the facts Cookie put forth, he didn't make the case.  He just as well could have said that using a Magellan GPS receiver ruined woody's mileage.  However, I would be interested in real debate about E3 sparkplugs hurting or helping fuel mileage.

Quote from: Paulcet on July 26, 2010, 06:58:13 AM
Thanks for the info woody. That's one more data point. It would be nice to get the numbers for each fill-up, as that would give an indication of the spread of the data.  But I know that's tough to do when your speedometer is broken.

Quote from: twocool on July 26, 2010, 04:14:57 AM
But I could make the case that your plugs are ruining your gas mileage,

No, you can't.

Yes I can....my plugs yield 66 mpg   his, 57........Proof beyond question!!!

But my conclusion is lacking in the scientific method just as much as his conclusion.

Fuel mileage is dependent on MANY MANY factors,
driving style
wind
humidity
air density
temperature
hills of flat
tire temp
tire pressure

I could go on and on.........

Changing brand of plugs is not conclusive..........we the old plugs, well "old"?  Were they gapped correctly?  were they fouled?   correct heat range?  etc.......

To conclude that one brand of spark plug gives better gas mileage over another you would have to run a series of tests, with many samples of each mfgr's plug,   same gap, same heat range, etc..........you would have to remove ALL of the other variables.........

Sorry, just putting in new plugs and running a course once does not cut it!

But then again, "50% of this stuff is 90% mental"

If you "think" a certain brand of plugs gives better mileage, then go for it!  If it makes you happy, that is all that really matters!


Some famous guy said something like this quote:


"People are quick to believe whatever they fear or desire."


Cookie

Quote from: Paulcet on July 26, 2010, 09:16:44 AM
Ok, I was short with my last post because I was using my phone and posting sux with that.

I should have said that with the facts Cookie put forth, he didn't make the case.  He just as well could have said that using a Magellan GPS receiver ruined woody's mileage.  However, I would be interested in real debate about E3 sparkplugs hurting or helping fuel mileage.

Right, you got my point exactly.............many, many other factors could have contributed to Woodie's different mileage readings.............OTHER THAN SPARK PLUGS!!!

This is why we have developed the "scientific method"..........to prove out anecdotal evidence.

Cookie

The whole idea and primary advantage with using the iridium plugs is durability and longevity, you don't buy a sport bike for gas milage, you do it for the fun factor, and ease of maintenance is a plus.  If people on here cared about gas milage they'd get a moped, and they wouldn't be installing 14 tooth sprockets on their GS. In my opinion the whole gas milage argument is a waste of time.

Quote from: ojstinson on July 26, 2010, 09:33:47 AM
The whole idea and primary advantage with using the iridium plugs is durability and longevity, you don't buy a sport bike for gas milage, you do it for the fun factor, and ease of maintenance is a plus.  If people on here cared about gas milage they'd get a moped, and they wouldn't be installing 14 tooth sprockets on their GS. In my opinion the whole gas milage argument is a waste of time.

E3 plugs are not iridium, they're copper.
also, if you increase the efficiency of the engine (through plugs, compression, timing ect.) you can get better milage AND more power.
lastly if you wanted a real sport bike you wouldn't have a gs500, don't get me wrong I love mine but I do wish for a more sport oriented bike. with more power, real ground clearance, and wider tires, most people with a gs want a compromise of power-to-efficiency. which the gs has in spades.

Ok Einstein show me a link that proves iridium plugs have no iridium in their composition. The term sportbike is relative, compared to a Honda Nighthawk 250 it is a sportbike, and I never said these plugs weren't more efficient and didn't get better milage, I said that isn't the main reason they were developed, it was a side benefit and big selling point ---whether it was true or not.

Quote from: ojstinson on July 26, 2010, 10:46:41 AM
Ok Einstein show me a link that proves iridium plugs have no iridium in their composition. The term sportbike is relative, compared to a Honda Nighthawk 250 it is a sportbike, and I never said these plugs weren't more efficient and didn't get better milage, I said that isn't the main reason they were developed, it was a side benefit and big selling point ---whether it was true or not.

Do you have any more obscure "facts" to yank out of your ass, or is that about it?

Iridium plugs have iridium.  His claim was that E3 plugs are not iridium, which is true.  They're not even platinum.

They're copper surrounded by nickel.


derp

Still waiting for that link. I don't know what you're talking about, I'm talking about Iridium Plugs-----Why are people paying 16 dollars for a tiny piece of nickel plated copper?

If you're referring to plain old E-3 plugs, I would say that's pretty much of a hoax. A fat spark is a fat spark is a fat spark, you can get that from pretty much any spark plug.

http://green.autoblog.com/2007/10/21/dont-count-on-e3-spark-plugs-to-save-you-money-on-gas/

Jesus, people debating Spark Plugs....Whats next, debating various oil types and viscosities?

I dont think there is any gain to be had from different plugs on a relatively stock vehicle, but on a heavily modified one there sure are benefits, mostly due to gapping and heat range, not the composition. platinum and iridium last longer than copper, that is the benefit.

And  ojstinson, I was only saying that E3 plugs are not iridium, so your old statement

QuoteThe whole idea and primary advantage with using the iridium plugs is durability and longevity, you don't buy a sport bike for gas milage, you do it for the fun factor, and ease of maintenance is a plus.  If people on here cared about gas milage they'd get a moped, and they wouldn't be installing 14 tooth sprockets on their GS. In my opinion the whole gas milage argument is a waste of time.

want valid because the conversation was about E3 plugs, NOT iridium.

Quote from: Fry on July 26, 2010, 12:16:38 PM
Jesus, people debating Spark Plugs....Whats next, debating various oil types and viscosities?

use dino 5W fork oil in the motor its the bezt! 

Quote from: ojstinson on July 26, 2010, 09:33:47 AM
The whole idea and primary advantage with using the iridium plugs is durability and longevity, you don't buy a sport bike for gas mileage, you do it for the fun factor, and ease of maintenance is a plus.  If people on here cared about gas mileage they'd get a moped, and they wouldn't be installing 14 tooth sprockets on their GS. In my opinion the whole gas mileage argument is a waste of time.

I gotta agree about the waste of time..........But I did buy a gs 500 partly because of the mileage......It gets better than a Ninja 500 for example......I am delighted that I am getting 66 MPG   roughly double what my car gets....I drive and commute quite a bit, and it does add up, at least it matters to me.....My 125 scooter got 70 mpg and my 250 Honda got about 80.........GS 500 is a lot more bike for about same operating costs

But it is still in general terms.......57, 60, 66 MPG are all in the same ballpark,  I'm not worried about a few %

I have a friend with a 1400 Ninja...when he is "on" it gets like 13 MPG........Not the bike for me!

Now all that being said, I just have to laugh about all these semi-scam deals with special plugs, air twisters, pills for the gas tank etc..........

I went to the web site for those plugs.....let me tell you those guys are true experts, geniuses..

In:

MARKETING
Psychology
Legal profession

Not big in science , however!!

There's a sucker born every minute!!

Cookie

Quote from: twocool on July 26, 2010, 04:14:57 AM

Quote from: lilwoody on July 25, 2010, 09:46:25 PM


Hardly a scientific test, however.

But I could make the case that your plugs are ruining your gas mileage, as I get 66 MPG on the stock factory plugs.  I have run the same course, (160 miles) every Saturday and every Sunday for 6 weeks now, and the mileage is 66 every time!




Cookie

See if you had a real girl to ride on the back with you you'd understand that a GS is weighed sensitive and loses considerable fuel economy when riding 2 up. I have yet to check the economy with these plugs in it with just my lil old self on it but will one day. Most of the longer trips are made with my wife, so that is what I have to compare it to.
GS500 a sport bike? A R6, a GSX, a CBR, yea those are sport bikes. A GS is a entry level, very adequate, comfortable, economical, sporty bike that is a ball to ride and a great communtier but any bike that in stock configuration struggles to break a buck isn't a sport bike. Maybe 40 years ago it would have been a sport bike but not now.

so i get this straight..

original poster has his mileage increase with the use of these plugs, under similar conditions as his original stock plugs.

people are responding about how their bike gets better mileage, so the plugs arent really working for the original poster. said people have also verified that there are many different variables that affect mileage.

if that's correct so far.. than what i dont get is why this is trying to sound like a heated issue. the original poster got an increase in mileage that works for him. he's giving his review of a product that he has been testing in comparison to what he originally used (stock plugs) what's the point of trying to bash. if the plugs do nothing for your own bike, or you dont like that company, or whatever other reason you have to put your opinion in, than that's valid. but unless youre riding HIS bike, under HIS conditions, how can you try and tell him (the guy getting better mileage that he's actually paid attention to over time) that what he's using isnt working?

B and S Twin, you are correct sir, we were talking about two different animals here---My error!

Quote from: ojstinson on July 26, 2010, 02:33:27 PM
B and S Twin, you are correct sir, we were talking about two different animals here---My error!

Quote from: black and silver twin on July 26, 2010, 12:34:09 PM

Quote from: Fry on July 26, 2010, 12:16:38 PM
Jesus, people debating Spark Plugs....Whats next, debating various oil types and viscosities?

use dino 5W fork oil in the motor its the bezt! 

I cant believe no-one said anything about this^^^^^

ready FIGHT!