Quote from: black and silver twin on July 26, 2010, 02:38:06 PM

Quote from: ojstinson on July 26, 2010, 02:33:27 PM
B and S Twin, you are correct sir, we were talking about two different animals here---My error!

Quote from: black and silver twin on July 26, 2010, 12:34:09 PM

Quote from: Fry on July 26, 2010, 12:16:38 PM
Jesus, people debating Spark Plugs....Whats next, debating various oil types and viscosities?

use dino 5W fork oil in the motor its the bezt! 

I cant believe no-one said anything about this^^^^^

ready FIGHT!

whole milk all the way?

Its like Politics and Religion, you do not speak of those topics in public, it's a no win situation/argument.

Anyway, which is better, Synthetic or Dino? 

i like dino nuggets but i think theyre pretty much synthetic anyways. mmmmm super highly processes chicken bits..

Quote from: pandymai on July 26, 2010, 02:18:03 PM
so i get this straight..

original poster has his mileage increase with the use of these plugs, under similar conditions as his original stock plugs.

people are responding about how their bike gets better mileage, so the plugs arent really working for the original poster. said people have also verified that there are many different variables that affect mileage.

if that's correct so far.. than what i dont get is why this is trying to sound like a heated issue. the original poster got an increase in mileage that works for him. he's giving his review of a product that he has been testing in comparison to what he originally used (stock plugs) what's the point of trying to bash. if the plugs do nothing for your own bike, or you dont like that company, or whatever other reason you have to put your opinion in, than that's valid. but unless youre riding HIS bike, under HIS conditions, how can you try and tell him (the guy getting better mileage that he's actually paid attention to over time) that what he's using isnt working?

Because his conclusion, after only one run is totally unfounded and unscientific.   Yes the fuel mileage was different (better)......but there are a hundred possibilities as to why, and brand of plugs is one of the most unlikely....

How can he attribute better mileage to plugs, and I can't?   (Retorical question)  Because neither mileage is taken is a scientific controlled experimental way!!!

Also, if you go the the website for these plugs it is the same promotional semi scam hype that we have seen since the automobile and motorcycle have been invented.........filled with hollow claims, and junk science........

Funny that Champion, Autolite, NGK, etc never thought of putting on a goofy electrode on their spark plugs, but these guys, man are they smart, smarter than all of the engineers and scientists at all of those other companies......soon everyone will have these plugs. They even claim that they will stop global warming!  It is our patriotic duty to buy these plugs!!!!

But there is always a market out there for this stuff,  just look at TV info-mercials, just snake oil sales with a different presentation.........

But this is just my opinion........

Cookie

Seems there's a communications problem or a comprehension problem here. This post is about this last ride, in it I mention that there was another ride where I got the same results the total miles rode on there 2 trips was over 750 miles with 57 mpg being the results on both rides. Do a search. The control was at least 4 rides down to Key West with a total of at least 1000 miles traveled on E10 gas, with stock plugs, 2 up, with a equal luggage load and 50 to 52 MPG being the economy realized on those trips.  Short of leaving my wife at home and having a EPA pin head ride bit(h I'm not sure how much "proof" some of you want. I tell you what, don't use the plugs, don't believe anything I have said and what ever you do don't accept that anyone other than yourself is capable of reaching any data worthy of being posted here. Anyone else if you want to use the plugs their only 6 bucks a pop and in my book well worth it. I'm going to throw 8 of them in the Roadmaster and 8 more in the Jeep I just haven't got around to it yet. One thing surely though, those results will be kept to myself.

Quote from: lilwoody on July 26, 2010, 07:37:12 PM
Seems there's a communications problem or a comprehension problem here. This post is about this last ride, in it I mention that there was another ride where I got the same results the total miles rode on there 2 trips was over 750 miles with 57 mpg being the results on both rides. Do a search. The control was at least 4 rides down to Key West with a total of at least 1000 miles traveled on E10 gas, with stock plugs, 2 up, with a equal luggage load and 50 to 52 MPG being the economy realized on those trips.  Short of leaving my wife at home and having a EPA pin head ride bit(h I'm not sure how much "proof" some of you want. I tell you what, don't use the plugs, don't believe anything I have said and what ever you do don't accept that anyone other than yourself is capable of reaching any data worthy of being posted here. Anyone else if you want to use the plugs their only 6 bucks a pop and in my book well worth it. I'm going to throw 8 of them in the Roadmaster and 8 more in the Jeep I just haven't got around to it yet. One thing surely though, those results will be kept to myself.

Well, this is a perfect example of how companies like that can prey on people like you.........

So now were up to 4 rides, or whatever, but you do not under the scientific method, and that for a "control" then a "test" ALL parameters must be the same, and only one variable changed at a time...........

It has been shown on this group that the GS 500 can get anywhere from 13 MPG (racing) to 70 MPG (driving like and old lady) 

Trust me, spark plugs is not the reason!

Cookie

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-external-engine/1247502-e3-spark-plugs-opinions.html

The internet is full of reports of these plugs RUINING the performance of cars, and realizing a scam when they see one!  People trying them and then quickly swithcing back to "normal" plugs.


Cookie

'splain me this ricky!

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?p=41612636

Cookie

Quote from: twocool on July 27, 2010, 04:26:54 AM
'splain me this ricky!

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?p=41612636

Cookie

Spark knock, the E3 website says that the plugs have a longer nose to get the spark further out into the combustion chamber. when the nose becomes longer it retains heat more, which if the engine has been modified or is just real lean from the factory, will cause detonation (spark knock).

Quote from: twocool on July 27, 2010, 02:56:39 AM
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-external-engine/1247502-e3-spark-plugs-opinions.html

The internet is full of reports of these plugs RUINING the performance of cars, and realizing a scam when they see one!  People trying them and then quickly swithcing back to "normal" plugs.


Cookie

Don't use the plugs scooter. I know 12 bucks is a lot of money to some people and a bit much to try something new. I stumbled on them and tried them on a whim. Now I know how they worked for me you'll never know if they will work for you. You throw around this whole "scientific method" thing but when it all said and done, I have used them in the real world and compared them to real world results from the past. You have bashed me and them with nothing but conjecture.

Woody,

Thanks for sharing your results.

Michael

Quote from: lilwoody on July 27, 2010, 09:55:27 AM

Quote from: twocool on July 27, 2010, 02:56:39 AM
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-external-engine/1247502-e3-spark-plugs-opinions.html

The internet is full of reports of these plugs RUINING the performance of cars, and realizing a scam when they see one!  People trying them and then quickly swithcing back to "normal" plugs.


Cookie

Don't use the plugs scooter. I know 12 bucks is a lot of money to some people and a bit much to try something new. I stumbled on them and tried them on a whim. Now I know how they worked for me you'll never know if they will work for you. You throw around this whole "scientific method" thing but when it all said and done, I have used them in the real world and compared them to real world results from the past. You have bashed me and them with nothing but conjecture.

Woody.....whether you know it or not, or will admit it or not, you fell for yet another automotive scam.  The funny thing is that people who are the type to fall for scams, will almost always defend the scam.........that's the beauty of the "perfect scam".........Also the people who get scammed will always make the whistle blower out to be the bad guy, and the scammer out to be the good guy.........human nature...........funny though....

There were the good ole "splitfire plugs" years ago, this is just a reincarnation of them.

Just 10 minutes of internet research will show that these e3 plugs are not anything special......just $2 plugs with a "gimmick" and costing $12..........Some people had serious problems......... Most tried them and went back to major brand.

I just hope others on this group will not fall for the scam........

Let us know how those plugs are doing in like 7000 miles or so?


Cookie

PS, I don't mind paying for quality.........plugs in my airplane cost about $29 each, and there's 8 of 'em for 4 cylinders.......oh yeah, they're "Champion".....

Why are you arguing over $5 to $10? 

It's kind of petty. 

Quote from: ver4 on July 27, 2010, 06:00:12 PM
Why are you arguing over $5 to $10? 

It's kind of petty. 

No that's not the argument..........the argument is whether these so called "magic" spark plugs will actually increase fuel mileage...........and that such claims need to be proven with some tests which remove the many variables which can effect fuel mileage......


then I am trying to take the discussion further, into the psychology of scams.........

Cookie

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/1802932


Here is some scientific testing of seven miracle devices...............Everyone makes claims similar to the e3 claims.......

Hmmmmmm....


Cookie

Let it go skippy and go fly your plane to give a daym land. Good we get it, I'm a sucker and you are the savior of all who may be tainted by my misgivings. I'm convinced because I saw results with my own data and thought I'd share it. You're convinced because you read it on the internet.

Quote from: lilwoody on July 27, 2010, 09:01:51 PM
Let it go skippy and go fly your plane to give a daym land. Good we get it, I'm a sucker and you are the savior of all who may be tainted by my misgivings. I'm convinced because I saw results with my own data and thought I'd share it. You're convinced because you read it on the internet.

Fair enough lily

Cookie

Ok, good, now it's time for you two to give each other a big hug and have a beer with the president on the west lawn.

Quote from: ojstinson on July 28, 2010, 09:26:11 AM
Ok, good, now it's time for you two to give each other a big hug and have a beer with the president on the west lawn.

LMAO!