http://www.ntsb.gov/events/symp_motorcycle_safety/rider%20protective%20equipment%20panel/liz%20de%20rome%20-%20lder%20consulting/liz%20de%20rome%20-%20lder%20consulting%20(paper).pdf

Fixed! I hope.

Mary

Link doesn't work.

Please post again when you have time as you have peaked my interest.

Very interesting. Thanks for posting!

http://www.ntsb.gov/events/symp_motorcycle_safety/Rider%20Protective%20Equipment%20Panel/Paul%20Vernsverry%20-%20PVA%20Technical%20File%20Services%20Limited/Paul%20Varnsverry%20-%20PVA%20Technical%20File%20Services%20Limited%20%28paper%29.pdf

It would be nice if there was a tier system so that the buyer knows what they are getting when they are buying protection. I know most jackets here in the U.S offer CE protection in shoulder and elbow but not in the spine that seems a little  to me. Which is more important the spine me thinks!

Was looking in New Enough and they had a hoodie that had some kevlar in the back and shoulder. While it looked cool stylewise how much protection could it actually afford?

Mary

A decent back protector can cost $100 or more. The t-pro back protector I bought to replace the pad in my hat trick jacket cost as much as the jacket did. That can drive a manufacture well above the price point they were looking to target. Also, a lot of people opt for a separate spine protector if they are that serious about it. 

The hoodie is an improvement for people that just normally squid it up! Most of the people I ride with and see out riding do just that. I feel over dressed sometimes. Glad I got all the gear before I started riding. Now I'm in the habit of ATGATT!   

I'd rather pay up than have a false sense of security which is what alot of American gear gives you. Not to put ICON down but they seem to be more interested in style than actual protection. They do have some gear but the mega high heel "riding" boot for women give me a break!

You try shifting and riding safely with those on.  http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/AlternateImage.aspx?I=2213&S=Womens-Bombshell-Boots&C=9

Mary

I think spine protectors make more sense off road or if you have hard luggage behind your back (where a rear-ending will thrust the hard topcase into your back).

On road, I think back injuries are not preventable by impact-resistant armor because back injuries are frequently not due to impact.  You get twisting, bending, and compression more readily and armor won't help for any of that.

That said, I opt to upgrade the back protector if all the jacket comes with is a thin foam piece.

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on August 22, 2010, 01:41:20 PM
I'd rather pay up than have a false sense of security which is what alot of American gear gives you. Not to put ICON down but they seem to be more interested in style than actual protection. They do have some gear but the mega high heel "riding" boot for women give me a break!

You try shifting and riding safely with those on.  http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/AlternateImage.aspx?I=2213&S=Womens-Bombshell-Boots&C=9

Mary

Yeah, Icon is pretty bad.  Those aren't riding boots, they're fashion boots.  Made for the passenger pegs on short trips to the bar.

Love my Sidi Discoveries, but wish they had better ankle protection.

I bought an HJC helmet recently after using my Shoei TZ-R for a few years.  The HJC I bought is a $200 helmet, one of HJC's mid-range.  It's a decent helmet, but quality of build and materials throughout the helmet is so much lower than the Shoei it's amazing, and the TZ-R is one of Shoei's low-end helmets.

Great read! I am a culprit of riding with jeans but would like to get into the habit of wearing proper riding pants. Where do I start? Do they have jeans with armor?

Jeans with armor right here:
http://www.dragginjeans.com/category.aspx?categoryID=1

or you could keep rocking your own jeans and wear this armored liner underneath:
http://www.dragginjeans.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=DLINERS

Jeans with armor... lol. 

Seen the Adventure's yet, Romulux?  I'm about to pull the trigger on a pair just now. 

LOL wow.... Really didn't think there were jeans with kevlar protection.

Quote from: Homer on August 22, 2010, 08:34:31 PM
Jeans with armor... lol. 

Seen the Adventure's yet, Romulux?  I'm about to pull the trigger on a pair just now. 

The Adventures are nice -- kind of a half-way between the Discovery and Crossfire.  Looks like the ankle is much better on the Adventure.

I got the draggin' jeans info from someone else on this forum. I don't know if they're decent or not though. Truth be told, I still don't have any street gear yet since all I've ever done is ride quads and dirtbikes. My gear is boots, jeans, a hoody or jersey, and an MX helmet. Then again, the GS isn't street ready yet anyways, so it doesn't much matter at the moment.

Good paper, nice and scientific as i like it  . Thanks for posting. It is true that most people dont wear full gear to work from what ive seen. I also think that is the most dangerous time to ride with everyone else on the road. Most people wear full gear on rec. rides and thats when its the safest IMO. You go for a rec ride early in the morning on weekends to avoid all the other traffic.

Also i dont wear riding pants and personally i will never put on a different pair of pants to go for a ride. I guess thats a little hypocritical as i would wear protective pants when i would ride/ race MX.

Tom

Quote from: Twism86 on August 23, 2010, 06:13:52 AM
Good paper, nice and scientific...

It's not scientific at all!  It doesn't point to any tests or data to indicate that equipment that isn't certified under THEIR standards is less likely to protect someone in a crash.  It's an opinion-editorial written by a company that specializes in writing european protective equipment laws, and then prototyping designs that meets those standards.

They're calling for international law to force their standards on other countries, even countries that already have their own standards. You're better off buying equipment that has already proven itself over the years, than blindly believing some guy that writes laws in Europe

For example, Aerostich -- about as reputable a motorcycle protective clothing manufacture as they come -- doesn't certify their protection as CE.

Quote

'CE Approved' Labels?
CE impact standards involve both energy absorption capability and pad shape and size. Aerostich TF2 pads do not match these European standards because of their shapes, not their energy absorption capabilities. In hard-shelled areas, TF2 armor tested significantly better than most other CE approved armor. Around the softer edges, it tests lower. TF2 armor was tested at a CE lab in England and using a duplicate of the test apparatus here. TF2 pads were developed (years before CE standards existed) to provide effective protection when fitted into the oversuit designs of Roadcrafters and Dariens. Because of this, TF2 pads allow comfort with various combinations of street clothing better than CE shapes. Roadcrafter suits were the first riders garments to use removable armor pad systems,and to use an advanced energy absorbing material like TF2. When we introduced TF2 armor, all protective garments, including road racing suits, featured sewn-in paddings made from felt, foam rubber or other less effective materials.

http://www.aerostich.com/roadcrafter-darien-faq

This is like arguing motor oil.
Everybody swears by their favorite.
Eh' Homer?

simply beautiful
Also not CE armor by the way.

Sure, I'll bite. 


No CE, Dow Corning stuff that hardens on impact.  Wife's lesbian buddy likes to put it on when she's drunk and run into walls.