I have a 2004 GS500F, Im in the process of a rear wheel swap. Im having trouble finding Metzeler M1 Front 110/70 ZR17 and 160/60 ZR17 tires, they seem to be outdated. I want to keep the rear tire at 160/60. does anyone know of any alternative 160 tire that will fit on an 02 katana 750 rim?

If you really like the M1, and want to stay with Metzeler, go with the M3.

Ok, so is the M3 fit the same shape as the M1? Im not dead set metzelers, I just want a 160 rear. If anyone knows of any 160's that will fit and are cheaper then the m3's let me know.

The Pilot Power 160/60 is $99 at Jake Wilson.  That's the original PP tire and not the newer 2CT one.

Can't say how wide they actually are but the published dims show them to be 161 mm wide, same as the M-3.  The M-1 was 160 mm wide according to specs, close enough.  

Never know for sure if they will be exactly as specs say, they vary quite a bit at times.  Maybe someone has one mounted they can measure?

The Dunlop and Bridgestone supersports are wider.

I replaced an m1 with an m3 once. I couldn't tell a difference.  Yeah, kinda pricey.

Looks like im gonna be going with the power pilots, thanks everyone.

What rear wheel are you swapping in? Got pics?

He said the 02 Kat 4.5" wheel, that's covered on the Wiki with lots of pics.

http://wiki.gstwins.com/index.php?n=Upgrades.RearWheel

Quote from: gsJack on January 27, 2011, 10:23:39 AM
He said the 02 Kat 4.5" wheel, that's covered on the Wiki with lots of pics.

http://wiki.gstwins.com/index.php?n=Upgrades.RearWheel

Donno how i missed it.

I was running the Pireli Diablo's front and rear and loved them. Now I'm running the Pireli Angel extended mileage sport touring tires due to my commuting. These are also great tires. I'm running 120 and 160.

Quote from: Falconsun111 on January 26, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
Ok, so is the M3 fit the same shape as the M1? Im not dead set metzelers, I just want a 160 rear. If anyone knows of any 160's that will fit and are cheaper then the m3's let me know.

if the numbers match the rubber fits

Who changes out the rear wheel? Is that what you kids are doing these days? Wider wheels? YOU DON'T NEED AN EXTRA INCH, JUST KNOW HOW TO WORK WHAT YOU'VE GOT.

It does always look impressive though.

Quote from: gregvhen on January 28, 2011, 09:59:22 PM

Quote from: Falconsun111 on January 26, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
Ok, so is the M3 fit the same shape as the M1? Im not dead set metzelers, I just want a 160 rear. If anyone knows of any 160's that will fit and are cheaper then the m3's let me know.

if the numbers match the rubber fits

Not really true in the real world of tires.  For the first Kat 4.5" wheel swap Turd Ferguson chose a 160/60 M-1 supersport tire and had only a bit of clearance to the chain so he shimmed out the rear sprocket about an eighth of an inch and got just enough clearance to get by running the chain a bit out of line since the front sprocket can't readily be moved out the same amount, something I would not do myself.  Next member got a 160/60 Dunlop D208 tire that would not fit because it was quite a bit wider and interfered with the chain so he ended up getting a 150 tire instead to finish the job. 

The 160/60 Sportec M-1 was 160 mm = 6.3" wide mounted on the 4.5" wheel.  I don't have the width handy for the obsolete D208 but Dunlop's current Sportmax Q2 160/60 supersport tire is 6.72" wide which would interfere with the chain a considerable amount.  By the way, Suzuki ran a 150 tire on that 4.5" rim on the Kat 750.

it is true, because if a rim is made to fit a 110-70-17, then theres not gonna be one model of tire thats a 110-70-17 that does fit and a differant model the same size that doesnt fit.  im not talking about chain interference and brake bar and all that.  Im just saying it will fit the rim if the rim is made for its size

Quote from: gregvhen on January 29, 2011, 09:29:25 AM
it is true, because if a rim is made to fit a 110-70-17, then theres not gonna be one model of tire thats a 110-70-17 that does fit and a differant model the same size that doesnt fit.  im not talking about chain interference and brake bar and all that.  Im just saying it will fit the rim if the rim is made for its size

it may fit on the rim but may not fit the opening.  every 160 rear tire doesnt always come out at exactly 160mm i have a 160 rear on my bike and i had to shim my rear sprocket and then theres still only about 3/32's room between chain and tire.  I bent the brake arm as much as i could and there is only about 1/16 room on that side.   So just because 1 160 fits with ease it doesnt mean all 160's will fit.  my tires are listed in my sig.

Quote from: gsJack on January 28, 2011, 10:45:05 PM

Quote from: gregvhen on January 28, 2011, 09:59:22 PM

Quote from: Falconsun111 on January 26, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
Ok, so is the M3 fit the same shape as the M1? Im not dead set metzelers, I just want a 160 rear. If anyone knows of any 160's that will fit and are cheaper then the m3's let me know.

if the numbers match the rubber fits

Not really true in the real world of tires.  For the first Kat 4.5" wheel swap Turd Ferguson chose a 160/60 M-1 supersport tire and had only a bit of clearance to the chain so he shimmed out the rear sprocket about an eighth of an inch and got just enough clearance to get by running the chain a bit out of line since the front sprocket can't readily be moved out the same amount, something I would not do myself.  Next member got a 160/60 Dunlop D208 tire that would not fit because it was quite a bit wider and interfered with the chain so he ended up getting a 150 tire instead to finish the job. 

The 160/60 Sportec M-1 was 160 mm = 6.3" wide mounted on the 4.5" wheel.  I don't have the width handy for the obsolete D208 but Dunlop's current Sportmax Q2 160/60 supersport tire is 6.72" wide which would interfere with the chain a considerable amount.  By the way, Suzuki ran a 150 tire on that 4.5" rim on the Kat 750.

I dont think it would be a good idea to shim the sprocket ethir, im seriously considering going with a 150 rear now. You dont have to shim the sprocket with a 150 do you? Indysuperbike.com currently has a really good deal on Metzler M3's, they are cheaper then the pilot powers. I also ordered A 14t front, 45t rear sprocket and a 112 link 520 chain. Im not trying to do wheelys or anything like that, I just want my GS to have some more punch. Ive only been riding one summer, last summer I installed a K&N air filter, Dyno Stage 1 jet kit, and a Jardine 2:1 full exhaust. Those additions definatly made a difference. The reason I want a thicker back tire is because I like the look and sometimes when I turn my rear tire slides out on me.  I found a 01 katana rear wheel w rear rotor on ebay for $112. Not bad considering some sellers are attempting to get $250 out of the same wheel 

150 fit with no problem with the chain.

Shoot, I got a 150 on my stock rim I like how it looks and gives me more confidence.

Mary

Quote from: joshr08 on January 29, 2011, 12:34:57 PM

Quote from: gregvhen on January 29, 2011, 09:29:25 AM
it is true, because if a rim is made to fit a 110-70-17, then theres not gonna be one model of tire thats a 110-70-17 that does fit and a differant model the same size that doesnt fit.  im not talking about chain interference and brake bar and all that.  Im just saying it will fit the rim if the rim is made for its size

it may fit on the rim but may not fit the opening.  every 160 rear tire doesnt always come out at exactly 160mm i have a 160 rear on my bike and i had to shim my rear sprocket and then theres still only about 3/32's room between chain and tire.  I bent the brake arm as much as i could and there is only about 1/16 room on that side.   So just because 1 160 fits with ease it doesnt mean all 160's will fit.  my tires are listed in my sig.

I know that why i said, in the post that you quoted, "im not talking about chain interference and brake bar and all that." im just trying to let the guy know if the wheel he wants to put on cals for a 160/60-17 or whatever numbers hes got, then a tire with those numbers will fit on the rim regardless of model or brand.