Quote from: aygee on March 02, 2011, 05:01:08 AM
1800 (dunno how many inches that is for you merkins!)

62 C.I. in one liter.  So . . . .

1.8x62= 111.6 C.I.

Here's a Harley that I'd buy:

And another:


My buddy has a restored '62 Harley Hummer that I'd like to have too, if it wasn't nearly $5000 (I can't afford that right now, no matter what bike it was).
http://bellingham.craigslist.org/mcy/2232863703.html

ehh its a business like any other. if people will buy it , theyll produce and sell it.

i don't think anyone hates HD more than i. i would rather ride a tricycle.   usually the guys on hogs are so fat that from behind it looks like they are on a unicycle

Sterotype much eh? So since you have an issue with the rider in question, it must translate to a hatred of the machine he/she choses to ride?   

Quote from: jserio on March 08, 2011, 09:23:07 PM
Sterotype much eh? So since you have an issue with the rider in question, it must translate to a hatred of the machine he/she choses to ride?   

typical liberal trolling it seems. he aint no skinny feller either lol

He said 'usually' haha.

I'm going to Daytona tomorrow I'm sure I will have lots of fodder for this thread!

Mary

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 09, 2011, 10:50:22 AM
I'm going to Daytona tomorrow I'm sure I will have lots of fodder for this thread!

Mary

Show off ... meanwhile we are freezing our butts off here with a 48 degree high ... WTF ... Where is the bloody global warming Al Bore promised us.
Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: The Buddha on March 09, 2011, 10:52:48 AM

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 09, 2011, 10:50:22 AM
I'm going to Daytona tomorrow I'm sure I will have lots of fodder for this thread!

Mary

Show off ... meanwhile we are freezing our butts off here with a 48 degree high ... WTF ... Where is the bloody global warming Al Bore promised us.
Cool.
Buddha.

Except we are having highs of 30F here...it was still -20C (-4F) in the mornings...yeah...GLOBAL WARMING... ...now they call it "Climate Change", I think they realize that no-one is buying into the "Global Warming" thing...

Hey...48F is 9C...quit whining and ride...wuss!!

Later.

yeah it was man/woman driving their gass gizzling SUV at hte last ice age that ended it remember? thats what caused teh glaciers to retreat?, i know we arent innocent. but not entirely guilty either

Quote from: The Buddha on March 09, 2011, 10:52:48 AM

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 09, 2011, 10:50:22 AM
I'm going to Daytona tomorrow I'm sure I will have lots of fodder for this thread!

Mary

Show off ... meanwhile we are freezing our butts off here with a 48 degree high ... WTF ... Where is the bloody global warming Al Bore promised us.
Cool.
Buddha.

48°!!!  We can only hope for such crazy talk, here! We're lucky to hit 40!
That's what I get for being of Swedish heritage & Minnesotan. Uff da!

One thing about Harley that I know for sure is that they are not a forward thinking company.


By axeing Buell, they lost a customer in me forever.

Why I hate Harley is because they are not innovative, they are not creative, they are not trying to build better bikes. 




jserio, I'm not sure how old you are, but you should know that they are losing market share among young adults like myself that don't buy bikes for image but rather to ride.

http://wallstreetpit.com/14965-harley-davidson-first-loss-in-16-years


Thats a report on how they posted a monster loss this past year.  Some blame the recession, some blame Buell/Augusta, but I'd rather be a more realistic business man and blame their lack of foresight.  They axed Buell before giving it a real go.  The local franchise dealers never got behind the brand and thats just sad. 



It shows they just want to sell you a bike with 1,000 page catalog rather than a Buell. 

Harley sucks because they think their average motorcycle rider is a poser who is only interested in looks and a lifestyle.  For the most part, they are right.  But for others like myself, who are interested in the freedom attained from two wheels and the road,  it smacks in the face of reason. 

Kinda funny to hear the argument of "no foresight or innovation or creativity" on a forum for a bike that has stayed virtually unchanged for over two decades. 

Quote from: jserio on March 20, 2011, 11:33:14 AM
Kinda funny to hear the argument of "no foresight or innovation or creativity" on a forum for a bike that has stayed virtually unchanged for over two decades. 

Hey hey they put an oil cooler on it somewhere in the middle of those 2 decades haha

Quote from: NickyNumbers on March 20, 2011, 08:35:02 AM
They axed Buell before giving it a real go.  The local franchise dealers never got behind the brand and thats just sad. 

Haha I think they got tired of explaining why Erik was able to double the HP coming out of their sportster motors and they didn't even bother to try. They made the mistake of hiring one guy who was too good, and it made the thousands of other employees look retarded, so they had to can him.

Out of curiosity, if the Buells were such great machines, why didn't/couldn't they have had their own dealership network? Seems to me that the bikes themselves never really caught on enough with the majority of cyclist. I really don't see many of them around. 

Buells not being able to have their own dealerships had nothing to do with Buells. Harley kept a short leash on them, and unfortunately had absolutely NO idea how to manage a company making sportbikes. It was like watching a monkey try to walk a dog. They put a ton of restrictions on the bikes, and just about any time you hear someone say something like "I don't understand why people like Buells, what kind of bike has a......belt drive/air cooled twin/92hp/etc)", the answer was usually HD. The engines don't make a lot of hp, but Erik was the one who designed the motor for the Vrod and it was supposed to in the XB line. HD kept wanting the motor bigger and bigger so it looked better in a cruiser and eventually he had to give up on it for his bikes. Instead he modified the sportster motor(and did an amazing job considering what he was working with). Then he was going to put turbos on all the motors, that idea was eventually canned by HD, belt drive mandated by HD. HD dealerships forced to stock the bikes, which then got shoved into the back corner of the dealers where they were pretty much ignored and bad mouthed. Then HD complains about the lack of sales. It's like putting footballs on a shelf in the kitchen appliances section and expecting someone to actually find it sitting between the dishes and silverware.

without advertising directly. kinda like a woman pissed cause you dont know whats wrong

Love the look of this tt -

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BUELL-XB9R-WHITE-RACE-PIPE-SOUNDS-GREAT-900-HARLEY-LOOK-/180641944689?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item2a0f195471

It is hawt

QuoteHe's convinced that the company's current product mix already does an excellent job of reaching young people and has no plans to look for new ways to pursue them.

Cutting through the bullshit, it seems you can boil Harley's plan down to this: cut costs by streamlining production and lowering output, thereby alleviating dealers of stock they can't sell, then hope that the
loans carry the company through to a projected return of middle-class solvency and credit availability.

All this sounds startlingly similar to the business practices that got Harley into so much trouble in the first place. It'll continue to rely on the same demographic buying the same motorcycles and, since a large
proportion of those customers don't have enough money to buy either the bikes or the accessories, it'll continue to give loans to people that can't afford to repay them. It'll make those loans using money that it has, in turn, borrowed, often at a higher interest rate than what's being charged to customers. The company has presented no short-term plans to pursue the design of motorcycles with appeal outside its existing customer base and is therefore hoping the customers of other brands change their preference rather than finding new ways to appeal to new customers. As Boomers age beyond their riding years and see their purchasing power massively reduced by the end of cheap credit, Harley is failing to understand either the need or the means to reach a younger or wider audience. Relying on the market for motorcycles to return to its pre-recession levels without taking active steps to see it do so seems a remarkably naive way to do business. Harley is now effectively a passive passenger riding the economy's roller coaster. If the economy goes up, a lot, it might be OK. If the economy goes down or remains stagnant, it may find itself unable to repay that $1.9 billion and be forced to seek protection from its creditors.

So... HD's new Action Plan = Sell the same over-priced bikes to the same customers (who are dwindling in numbers and ability to buy them) and cross your fingers.
Yup, that'll work 

Michael