anyone know the best place to get a full engine rebuild kit? i dont really want to go to a suzuki dealer

Don't know if there are any suppliers out there.  The general consensus on this forum is it is cheaper to buy a used working engine than to rebuild your current one.

-Jessie

Do you mean a full gasket kit?

i'm thinking a full tear down and rebuild, i have alot of problems with the engine i took it to a dealer and they said it was too modifed for them to want to touch it so i'm going to do it myself

I have found Athena and Centauro full gasket kits but only genuine bearings and rings.
What mods have been done to your motor?

I'm afraid that all the internal parts are only sold by Suzuki.These are considered beginner bikes in ever aspect so there is not much aftermarket support for engine internals.

i'm not changeing out the internals at all, just putting all new gaskets on and cleaning up any rust that might be in the engine. I found some rust in the carbs, and it is leaking oil from somewhere. as for mods that are already on the bike, all that has been done is a youshumura raceing exaust has been put on, a K&N lunchbox air filter, and the main jet has been changed from a #122.5 to a #134

So IT IS a gasket kit you are looking for?

Quote from: zkbuck on June 29, 2011, 09:26:26 AM
i'm not changeing out the internals at all, just putting all new gaskets on and cleaning up any rust that might be in the engine. I found some rust in the carbs, and it is leaking oil from somewhere. as for mods that are already on the bike, all that has been done is a youshumura raceing exaust has been put on, a K&N lunchbox air filter, and the main jet has been changed from a #122.5 to a #134

You got a DJ kit in it a pipe and K&N filter, and the dealer thought it was too modified to work on ... WTF ...

BTW you do know you will not ever find any rust inside a motor right, all the parts are aluminum, bronze and the steel parts are bathed in oil.
Cool.
Buddha.

i know i prolly wont find any rust in the engine, but since the carbs were pluged i thought i should check. cant hurt right? and i found a full gasket kit on bikebandit.com so i i can replace all the seals in the whole engine since i have it pulled apart.

as for the dealer, the closest sizuki dealer is about 2 hours away do i took it to a honda shop (a friend takes his yammaha there and they do good work according to him) but i'm thinking that it was just in too rough of shape and they didnt want to deal with it, it does look really rough but it runs great (untill last week) for haveing 31k on the engine

question about the Slide needle in the carbs, There is a washer ontop of the adjustment clip and under the next plastic peice, and i cant figure out what it was there for. it's not on any schematic i have seen for the carbs?

Could it possibly have something to do with the new over sized jets?

I ask because i lost one when i took everything apart and i would like to know if i need to go out and try and find another of this very small washer, or just nix the one that i still have

ok no offence but if you cant figure out the carbs i really dont recommend you tearing the motor apart. if you do you will be parting the motor out and selling the rest or looking for another motor.  the washers raise the needle just that little extra to get the jetting just right.  the last time i checked gummed up carbs were no reason to tear into a motor.  theats just stupid.  rust in carb comes from tank.  so clean the tank and the carbs leave the motor alone.

If there is a washer between the plastic spacer and the E clip,it's there to richen part throttle and mid range power.If it's above the top of the clip then it really has no effect that I know of.It may slow down the slides when they rise.

Stock should look like this.

Quote from: joshr08 on July 06, 2011, 04:46:56 AM
ok no offence but if you cant figure out the carbs i really dont recommend you tearing the motor apart. if you do you will be parting the motor out and selling the rest or looking for another motor.  the washers raise the needle just that little extra to get the jetting just right.  the last time i checked gummed up carbs were no reason to tear into a motor.  theats just stupid.  rust in carb comes from tank.  so clean the tank and the carbs leave the motor alone.

I'm not doing this build alone, i do have a friend who has torn down motors before helping me, but he was also not sure about the spacer in the carb, and as for what i am doing to the engine anyways is just to replace the gaskets to stop the oil that is leaking from several places.

Quote from: zkbuck on July 06, 2011, 09:16:15 AM

Quote from: joshr08 on July 06, 2011, 04:46:56 AM
ok no offence but if you cant figure out the carbs i really dont recommend you tearing the motor apart. if you do you will be parting the motor out and selling the rest or looking for another motor.  the washers raise the needle just that little extra to get the jetting just right.  the last time i checked gummed up carbs were no reason to tear into a motor.  theats just stupid.  rust in carb comes from tank.  so clean the tank and the carbs leave the motor alone.

I'm not doing this build alone, i do have a friend who has torn down motors before helping me, but he was also not sure about the spacer in the carb

Working on a motorcycle engine is very different from automotive engines.

Quote from: ben2go on July 06, 2011, 09:18:38 AM

Quote from: zkbuck on July 06, 2011, 09:16:15 AM

Quote from: joshr08 on July 06, 2011, 04:46:56 AM
ok no offence but if you cant figure out the carbs i really dont recommend you tearing the motor apart. if you do you will be parting the motor out and selling the rest or looking for another motor.  the washers raise the needle just that little extra to get the jetting just right.  the last time i checked gummed up carbs were no reason to tear into a motor.  theats just stupid.  rust in carb comes from tank.  so clean the tank and the carbs leave the motor alone.

I'm not doing this build alone, i do have a friend who has torn down motors before helping me, but he was also not sure about the spacer in the carb

Working on a motorcycle engine is very different from automotive engines.

my firend works on motorcycles, I have only really worked on a lawn mowers so i am enlisting his help

Quote from: zkbuck on July 06, 2011, 09:22:21 AM

Quote from: ben2go on July 06, 2011, 09:18:38 AM

Quote from: zkbuck on July 06, 2011, 09:16:15 AM

Quote from: joshr08 on July 06, 2011, 04:46:56 AM
ok no offence but if you cant figure out the carbs i really dont recommend you tearing the motor apart. if you do you will be parting the motor out and selling the rest or looking for another motor.  the washers raise the needle just that little extra to get the jetting just right.  the last time i checked gummed up carbs were no reason to tear into a motor.  theats just stupid.  rust in carb comes from tank.  so clean the tank and the carbs leave the motor alone.

I'm not doing this build alone, i do have a friend who has torn down motors before helping me, but he was also not sure about the spacer in the carb

Working on a motorcycle engine is very different from automotive engines.

my firend works on motorcycles, I have only really worked on a lawn mowers so i am enlisting his help

Final verdict, I'm going to remove the second spacer off the main carb and see what happens, if it runs like poo then i'll have to go find a second washer.

good luck

How far into the motor are you planning on going? Pulling the heads off, side covers, oil pan, etc is fairly easy (also where most oil leaks come from). If you pull the cylinders get a new base gasket and piston rings. I advise against splitting the cases if you don't have to.

I think Ben2Go has a good write up on carb parts + tuning theory. Read as much as possible on carbs and tuning them before pulling them apart and making changes.