You listen to NPR? Well, that explains the Bush/Cheney blame blame blame.

Clinton sets up the whole shebang but Bush Cheney are blamed. Clinton declares war on Yugoslavia to divert attention from getting his weeny polished but blame Bush/Cheney. Clinton devastates the military knowing it will need to be rebuilt after he is gone, but Blame Bush/Cheney. Ronnie R passes legislation that devastates the small S&Ls and hands the majority of mortgages on a silver platter to Rockerfeller and ilk, and creates SOP for doing likewise later, and when it happens again, don't blame the Rockerfeller, Rothschilds, Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, etc., for setting it up, blame Bush/Cheney. Kissinger is in the ear, but give him a pass. Obama was a Kissinger protege, but ignore Kissinger, make excuses for Barry O, and blame Bush/Cheney some more.

NPR is as liberal as you can get. They exists to...

#1 Whine
#2 blame Bush Cheney

Free your mind man, stop listening to ALL that sh!t. The liberal media and fox news are equally Influencing. Turn off the bombardment and set your mind free.

Michael

Dude you are blaming Clinton and Reagan ... why should I not blame Cheney ... BTW all the blame being assigned is fair to Clinton, Cheney etc. Mister I am with you on the whole POTUS being a puppet of Big business. The thing was Cheney went far beyond the duties of a puppet.

However I also am a huge critic of NPR. I Freaking cringe at the thought of ever hearing the word "Hunta" again ... Thanks god Myannmar is out of the news ... they get a bunch of sheite wrong ... so I know they are to be taken with a huge grain of salt. If you remember entertainment industry is very left leaning, talk radio is severe right NPR is all that there is man.

Anyway POTUS is a puppet, dont try to exceed your calling and start thinking you are a real person ...

Sadly when you hear "corporations are people too" you have to really wake up and I guess shoot the puppet.

BTW the way we should have been in and we would ahve if we weren't mired in 2 useless wars is libya.

NPR exists to make serious mistakes about asian countries, and to put 952 year old ladies on the air as hosts whenever they can get out of their graves ... though word on the street is that only their voice can get out from the grave ... In any case I listen to mainly financial news, cos I need it to do a better job @ looking for work and for very little else.

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Buddha.

I'm not blaming them. Using them as an example of things you could blame them for but you don't and only keep playing the blame Bush/Cheney card is all.

If you know the POTUS and hangers on are puppets, why keep blaming them? "corporations are people too" is actually correct from a legal standpoint. It's not the puppet saying it of their own accord, they just say what they are told to say, what is written for them to say.

Besides, the entire govt is a corporation. The idea of Dem vs GOP is also a ruse. They both play their respective parts. But at the end of the day they all work for the same Company and all work towards the agenda of that company. You can swap out the personnel but the company will keep doing what it has always been doping. Regardless of who the figurehead is or those in the house or senate. Swap them all out, but the bureaucracy remains the same, the string pullers remain the same, so the actions of the swapped out people must also remain the same.

Michael

Only thing that will probably help us is another FDR and a whole house and senate on his side. Unfortunately, this generation is too lazy to do things like the CCC or TVA. God knows our infrastructure is falling apart but we are too good for manual labor anymore because we are all edumacated. CCC was one of the best things that Rosevelt did because it got our boys out and working it also accustomed them to working together in groups and disciplined we had a quick and detachable civilian workforce that swithced very easily to our military after Pearl Harbor. It also was our first environmental movement with the planting of millions of trees and land repair.

But, anything short of drastic measures will most likely fail.

Mary

I dont think we are opposed to manual labor. We are opposed to doing manual labor for a menial wage ... sadly Immigrants, Illegal immigrants to be precise have the ability to do manual labor for next to nothing, they also live 30 to an apartment and in most cases are younger than the rest of the unemployed public.

Educated ... dont make me laugh, yea we are all CSI's ... and educated in subjects that have no practical relevance. Why do we need millions of english graduates ...

BTW WTF is "Language Art" ... yea it is a real subject ... I cant believe tax payers are paying for this garbage, and sadly because they are, we dont get to take our money away and go to a normal school. Garbage.

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Buddha.

OK I get it, this worthless movement is about getting student debt forgiven ... you fools, you're screwered ... your school screwered you. You screwered yourself ... you took out 300K in student loans to get a sociology degree which @ the best of times pays a whopping $12/hr ... and you expect the people who lent you the $ to go without ... go screwer yourself. Maybe go back to your school and protest their fees ... and then your dorm and protest the room and food costs, then go to the beer factory and protest that ... Morons.

Oddly I started this post not really knowing what the thing was about. Not as political bait. BTW no one knew what it was about cos ... well, they didn't publish a list of demands till yesterday.

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Buddha.

Pulled this from msn - link is here -
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world-news/occupy-wall-street-protesters-demand-student-loan-relief_598557.html


Occupy Wall Street protesters demand student loan reliefIt may be hard to pin down exactly what the Occupy Wall Street protesters want, but one of the sources of their frustration seems clear. Many of the demonstrators are drowning in student debt.Post your opinion here   

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Occupy Wall Street: What Life Is Like for Protesters
Occupy Wall Street: Who the Protestors Are


It may be hard to pin down exactly what the Occupy Wall Street protesterswant, but one of the sources of their frustration seems clear. Many of the demonstrators are drowning in student debt.


Rose Swidden came to Zuccotti Park in Lower Manhattan from upstate New York, where she is studying agriculture at SUNY Cobleskill. She expects to graduate in May with USD 35,000 in debt, and doesn`t know how she will pay it back.

"We did what we were told to do: go to college, get an education, you`ll get a job, you`ll get a house, you`ll be cool," she said. "And that`s what we did. And now here we are done with it-and now what?"

One proposed list of demands for the Occupy Wall Street movementincludes "free college tuition" and "immediate across the board forgiveness" of student debt. While neither demand may be very realistic, the student debt problem is very real.

According to FinAid.org, which carries a "student debt clock" on its website, outstanding student debt is on pace to top USD 1 trillionin a matter of months. Student debt surpassed credit card debt in 2010, and has not looked back. The average 2011 college graduate had USD 27,204 in student debt, according to the organization.

One reason for the debt crunch: college tuition continues to rise at more than twice the core rate of inflation, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. At the same time, students and their families are not adjusting their expectations for a college education to reflect the poor economy.


Protester Angelina Lesniewski graduated from a Massachusetts liberal arts college in May with an English degree. She has no job prospects in her field, and USD 28,000 in student debt.

"I could have gotten a degree in something practical like psychology, which I find very interesting but I would have been miserable," she said.

The unemployment rate for people aged 20 to 24 was 14.7 percentage in September according to the government, putting the finances of recent graduates on a collision course with the dismal job market.

Predictably, student loan default rates are rising.

The US Department of Educationreported last month that the official default rate jumped to 8.8% in fiscal 2009-the most recent data available-compared to 7% the year before. The rate is even higher at for-profit schools: 15% in fiscal 2009 versus 11.6% the previous year.

Those numbers represent a snapshot in time, the report said, since they only cover loans in which the first payment became due between October 1, 2008 and September 30, 2009, and went into default before September 30, 2010. Experts say the overall default rate is likely much higher, and the number of people having trouble making payments is even higher than that.

"These two year default rates are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to borrower distress," said Lauren Asher of the non-profit Project on Student Debt. "They don`t capture people who are in delinquency, forbearance or deferment, or who`ve had to extend their repayment which means they are now paying more interest over time to keep payments low."


More troubling, Asher said, is a rise in private student loans, which she says carry far fewer consumer protections than government loans. Many students turn to private lenders to fund their education, either because they have reached their limit on government loans-USD 31,000 for a bachelor`s degree-or have not utilized all the government aid programs available.

"Experts agree whether you talk to lenders or student financial aid advisers that federal loans should come first because they come with important repayment options and consumer protection options," Asher said.

Slideshow: States With The Most Student Debt
Many private lenders got out of the student loan business last year after the federal government began lending money directly to students. Previously, the government guaranteed loans made by private lenders. Some private lenders stayed in the business, however, servicing loans for the government and offering non-guaranteed loans of their own.

They include Sallie Mae (NYSE: SLM), the nation`s largest student loan company, which, like any lender, securitizes portions of its loan portfolio-bundling student loans into securities and selling them to investors. The securitization market for student loans had also dried up, in part because of the credit crunch. Now, the market is coming back. Sallie Mae sold more than USD 3 billion worth of student loan-backed securities in the first half of this year.

With default rates rising, Lauren Asher likens student loan securities to subprime mortgage-backed securitiesduring the housing bubble.

"There`s reasons to be concerned about the return to growth in the private student loan market because that means more students are taking on more high risk debt," Asher said.

Of course, if some of the protesters get their way, with free tuition and debt forgiveness, the problem might go away. Rose Swidden, the agriculture student-turned-protester, acknowledges the demands may be far-fetched, but said it is worth a try.

"Sometimes if you shoot for the moon, you land in the stars."

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Woweeee these people are educated ... really ... Yea yea I understand its an expression ... but if you shoot for the moon and dont make it, you will most likely be adrift in space, or more than likely like many many huge masses have in the past .. .come tumbling back to earth and burn off in the atmosphere.

Morons. That's all I can say. Can someone air lift a big pile of shaZam! and rain down on these fools and tell them its what they can use to grow their own food and raise big $ sellign that food and clothing made from corn stalks so they can buy their way to the top ... or some nonsense like that.

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Buddha.

Somewhere along the line someone convinced these brats that life is just a series of guarantees, and if things don't work out according to plan you get your money back.

Quote from: ojstinson on October 13, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Somewhere along the line someone convinced these brats that life is just a series of guarantees, and if things don't work out according to plan you get your money back.

Yes they did ... "I am going to college" ads get the blame. Sadly they leave out all the important parts in the ads.
Like for example "I am going to college studying a worthless subject running up debt and going to pay it off for 90 years".

Seriously, you go to college to study widget science ... and go over there and talk to students who are in their 2nd or 3rd year of widget science. If they dotn have widget corporations chasing them asking them to do this and that to widgets, it aint worth learning any more about widgets.

Now wall street people are making $ of the student loans that they are not paying back - HOW ?

I heard another moron yesterday who apparently wants to stop people from top universities working for wall street ... OK so give them alternatives you fool. I will sit @ a desk and type out nonsense on blogs all day long. I will do it @ the location of the highest bidder all factors considered ... for example you can double my $ and I am not moving to Manhattan.
Throw in a nice 3 bedroom apartment on top of that and you got me.

Dont expect a new grad who BTW is drowning in the aforementioned student debt to not work for the best in terms of the overall package. You want to have people work @ companies that make a difference, yes I think that should pay proportional to the difference it will make ... economics baby, cant break it and you cant even bend it for very long.

That is why I want prices on doctors office walls, and I dont want insurance to doctor deal making. That will result in the whole industry seeking the right level, supply vs demand.

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Buddha.

A general feeling that there are different rules for people with large amounts of money.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2011/10/10/i-am-the-99-how-about-you.aspx?source=isesitlnk0000001&mrr=0.11

Oh I get it, they want our 99 cents. Yea the basterds, they want to take all the $, including shake me upside down for change.

Sorry they dont have any legitimacy in my book. They had a list of the prices of college costs etc, they had a good 2 years of time to make the right choices. If they decided they needed to be away form their parents and have their own swank pad and car and a whole bunch of crap and were studying worthless garbage like "language arts" sorry, they can protest all they want, they are just a bunch of free loaders. Might as well have a sign saying "will work for food - I am the 99%"

To put it in perspective my neighbor I didn't even know this actually till he had graduated, he lived @ home and went through a bachelors program @ UNCC (10 miles away), but sadly he did it in management and had trouble getting a job for almost a year ... in addition he also apparently taught english to mexicans and worked @ an insurance agency the last 2 years. He said he was not in debt at all. Then he got a job in Houston in some insurance company. Not bad at all I thought.

Sorry occupy guys and gals, you may be the 99%, sadly you are also one of the 100% who wants things for free and I guess some percent of those will protest to get it for free.

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Buddha.

We had a rally here in O-Town this weekend. As Buddha said it is mainly kids that took out too many student loans and are now being raped. But, I don't feel too bad for them because there are ways to save money and take care of yourself while going to school. You don't have to go immediately to the expensive 4 year school. Now, you can get a Bachelors at some Community Colleges well they are no longer called Community Colleges but the prices are the same about half of a traditional 4 year. No one will really know the difference. I will most likely be doing my Master's in Social Work (as long as I keep my GPA I will not be paying for that either one of a few perks of my disability) which will also allow me to be a Mental Health Counselor but I will be opening my own place eventually that will do both. I may eventually earn my PHD but from what I'm researching it really doesn't matter where you get your PHD from just as long as you have it.

But, back on topic I don't think this movement will get far esp if it turns like the ones in Italy did violent.

Mary

When did anything not turn violent in Italy.
Seriously I hope they dont get their demands all ratified 100 %
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Buddha.

In a not surprising twist, the TEA party is trying to link themselves to Occupy. So Smaller govt, less taxes and let student loans go unpaid. Aaaah yes. Much like the republicans at the debate who said Govt cant create jobs, and as governer I created 100 million jobs. WTF ... as guvn'r you created these jobs ... like you personally, and they all work for you ? Aaah yes, I get it.

The TEA party has gained credibility and by hitching the occupy wagon to TEA they have got some credibility ...

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Buddha.

I'm kinda' confused by any protesters that camp-out for extended periods of time.
Who's taking care of their family?
Who's keeping their stuff straight at work?
Where they getting all the money it costs to simply Not Work for days and weeks on end?

Just wondering, 
-Ej-

The weekend occupy in charlotte is pretty big, the weekday one is rather slim.
I suspect they are all unemployed and well, they take turns in wall street. In a city of 10-11 million if there is north of 10% unemployment that is close to 1 million, so 30-50k is a small fraction anyway.
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Buddha.

i say blame congress, they are the ones that blocked everything so far that obama has put on the table..(not a obama fan by the way, he is as much to blame as the rest of these clowns.) Face it the president is nothing but a public figure, he is there to shake babys and kiss ass... dont forget about the studddddeeeeerring speeches lol

All congress is doing is wasting taxpayer money by ordering the most expensive food money can by on a daily basis, supplying power to that "cathedral" they call a congress, and sitting on paychecks that can supplies enough money to feed the homeless for generations man...

I know you guys would disagree on this, but i for one believe in anarchy/ king ship.. with that i mean a government that is run strictly by the ppl over seen by one person! We have come so damn far in technology that we can run an entire country from a laptop or Ipad... there is no need to give someone billions of dollars to sit on there ass in a nice a/c office eating gourmate catering everyday to make a simple decision to create jobs. (im possitive i got a app for that lmao)

I say put congress out on their ass with the president, and make them work manual labor like i been doin my whole life and see if they can even last a day! (Which i know they cant)

All we are doing is playing the blame game.. and in the end everyone is as guilty as the next guy! Ppl are to lazy to get their ass up and do something, congress is to rich and happy to make any changes cuz face it who would give them self a pay cut??? Ohhh and the lovely president... well his nothing but a damn push over with no mind of his own!
Corporate america is the same as congress... once again who will give them self a pay cut? I know i wouldnt!
This is where the ppl should have done something during the bush/chaynie presidency but hey last time i checked all americans wait until the last possible min to get anything done lol. thats just the world we live in, when the ppl become more progressive then the country will follow!

sorry for my rant had to get it off my chest!

God damn hippies, gas em and spray with capsicum spray! That'll sort em.

My wife is so bad ...

OK I am officially making fun of these fools abit unfairly nowadays I must admit ... apart from the "waive my student loans" credo they are not too bad ... having said that ...

We have a bif box of new syringes cos my son is on an injected med, and they send us .5 mm syringes with the order and we need .7 ... so we buy those ...
We were plannign to send em to this place in raleigh for some sorta clean needle program for drug users (my wife is into that sorta charitable sheite) ... and I hear on the radio that occupy has received donations etc etc and this is the address ...

So I tell her quick write down the address, and lets send this box of syringes to them. She starts laughing and says yea I'll put this sugar in a zip lock bag and send it along.

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Buddha.

Quote from: The Buddha on October 28, 2011, 09:16:23 AM


So I tell her quick write down the address, and lets send this box of syringes to them. She starts laughing and says yea I'll put this sugar in a zip lock bag and send it along.

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Classic I love it please tell me use did.