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Problems getting the bike into Neutral..

Started by NorwayGT1, October 28, 2011, 02:38:05 PM

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NorwayGT1

So im having problems getting the bike into Neutral... Sometimes the bike will be in neutral and the light on the instrument panel will be off... Also while coming to a stop the bike will pop in neutral on its own every once in a a while.

What is the proper way of putting the bike in neutral from first gear... i believe its one up?  I have to go all the way up to 3 then back down to first and back up and down a few times lol... then it usually goes in neutral with a little bit of luck

sveach

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Don't try and shift multiple times with the clutch held in. Shift once, let the clutch out just until the bike starts to move a tiny bit, then pull it back in, then shift again. I don't recall the proper terms, but you're basically syncing the gears to be able to shift into them.

If you're doing that, make sure your chain is adjusted properly, and you have the correct amount of oil. Both of these have caused issues with shifting for me.

Regardless though, neutral is difficult sometimes. It's halfway between 1st and 2nd, so you don't do a full click to get into neutral. You do a half click. You can play with this with the bike off and on the center stand. Put it in first. Rotate the back wheel a bit (pretending you're pushing the bike forward) and then use your hand to click it into neutral. If you can do that OK, then practice with your foot. With it on the center stand, remember to move the wheel a bit to get the gears to sync up properly. Same as if it were on and you were riding it.

Also, and I'm not recommending this, but you can do it if you want - with the gears synced up right, you can shift without using the clutch. You can do it more easily doing the center stand trick that I mentioned. I do it sometimes when I'm riding, just because. It's surely not good on the transmission - but it is practice in case your clutch cable snaps and you need to get home!
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NorwayGT1

is there a place where to add/change transmission fluids?? i havent seen anything so thats why im asking.

and ill try that, kinda make sense because most of the time i try to kinda slam it cuz i get frustrated with it.. but when i gather my self and just try calmly doing it it works.. so it makes sense that it would work between the two gears like you said.

Still dont make sense that my dummy light wont come on sometimes and the bike is in neutral lol  :confused:

ohgood

Quote from: NorwayGT1 on October 28, 2011, 03:06:12 PM
is there a place where to add/change transmission fluids?? i havent seen anything so thats why im asking.

and ill try that, kinda make sense because most of the time i try to kinda slam it cuz i get frustrated with it.. but when i gather my self and just try calmly doing it it works.. so it makes sense that it would work between the two gears like you said.

Still dont make sense that my dummy light wont come on sometimes and the bike is in neutral lol  :confused:

over filled oil will cause hard neutral to first gear selection. if your clutch cable has stretched, and is ready to break soon, this can happen. if you oil is extremely dirty, this can happen. some report nicer shifting with synthetic oil, i believe i did.

check your oil with the dipstick resting on the threads, not screwed in. over the hashes = overfilled. a turkey baster can remove oil quickly, with no fuss.

if your neutral light is not working, or not consistant, the switch may be about to grenade things inside. (ouch !)

cold transmissions shift notchier. warm ones, smoother. (just a reminder)

the transmission and engine share oil, along with the clutch. this is why changing oil and filter at regular intervals is a good idea. (no, there is no seperate tranny oil)

also, the gears are constantly meshed with each other. the clunk you hear sometimes is the dogs not quite matched, and a skip or five before the lock in. youtube has very good videos: constant mesh transmission

also, the gs has one very slick shifting transmission. if you ever sell your bike, you will miss it. (hint)


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NorwayGT1

how hard is it to change the bike from reg to synthetic? also what can i do to prevent the bike from crapping out on me in reference to that N light comment???

Big Rich

All you need to do is change the oil. But the clutch plates soak up oil, so it may take a little time for them. Just make sure you use motorcycle oil- car oil doesn't usually work well because of the friction modifiers.

Regarding the N light: find out why it's not coming on first. Most likely a dirty/loose connection somewhere.
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