So why all this unrest now?
"They" have been using us as tools all along.
The methods that John Corzine and the other big dollar manipulators use to foster their operations is not some bran-new scheme.
This perversely unjust business model has been around for a long time.

What changed?
Why all of a sudden are people across the land in protest & outrage? 

because theres a presidential election coming up.

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on November 01, 2011, 09:01:56 PM
because theres a presidential election coming up.

If that was the reason they will just do it @ the election. Sorry mate no dice.

The reason more than likely IMHO is that there was an election 10 months ago and they missed it ...

Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: Electrojake on November 01, 2011, 02:32:32 PM
So why all this unrest now?
"They" have been using us as tools all along.
The methods that John Corzine and the other big dollar manipulators use to foster their operations is not some brand-new scheme.
This perversely unjust business model has been around for a long time.

What changed?
Why all of a sudden are people across the land in protest & outrage? 

For me i feel sooo TINY (is it ironic TINY is the biggest word? ) compared to all that BS I can't even fathom where or what I would try to change it. The pit between the rich and the poor is widening and it seems like people are getting sick of falling in. Personally, i feel like i have no power to fight it (like many others I'm sure.) because it's so easy to not listen one or a hundred angry voices, but if you have millions of angry people;s voice they can't help but hear the people.

I admire the work ethic of those who continue to grind it out at menial jobs to try and make life better for their families. At the same time you have to realize as long as we keeping grinding ourselves away quietly the "powers that be" (whomever you want to label them as) have no reason to ever change the current model. The gap will widen and widen until it becomes uncrossable, leaving all of us who kept of heads down dutifully doing our jobs stranded. (and you can sure as sh-t bet there's no golden parachute waiting for you and I)

And protesting in some irrelevant corner and asking for sutdent loan forgiveness will accomplish that ?

I think the best way to hit them is where it hurts - aka $. Buy on credit from the big banks and dont pay them. Withdraw you $ - ha, what $. If you have a house with a big bank as the mortgage holder and you are under water or close to it, and even if you aren't remember when defaults occour you will go under - well skip paying it, and squat, and make them get court order after court order to get you out and find out what donut shops the cops in your town hang out @ and buy em a round and let em know you're protesting and hence not paying your mortgage, hopefully there will be a 1000 more in your town and the cops cant evict as fast.

And finally - dont introduce yourself as a third party. Third parties usually end up taking just enough votes from their closest allied party to hand the election to the party that is least allied with them. Align yourself and support the lesser of 2 evils. We need multi party and even then you can end up with very undesirable results. Even in India where true multiparty system exists complete with whipsawing elections and what looks like a round robin of sorts there is a lot of elections where the minority ends up winning cos the majority is split into 3-4.

Protesting in the park is useless, WTF are we Libya ? Tunisia ? Idiots.
Yes you are entitled to a refund of your school tuition cos you've not learned squat. Heck you're entitled to a full refund of everything cos you've not even learnt to think.

Cool.
Buddha.

Reflecting on both of the above posts, it seems that the entire system must collapse before we can get any traction.

Like paying taxes. . .
The only way we could get Washington's attention is if every single person refused to pay their taxes at the same time.
(and that will just never happen)

I get the feeling that the politicians realize they are virtually omnipotent.

Quote from: Electrojake on November 02, 2011, 03:32:41 PM
Reflecting on both of the above posts, it seems that the entire system must collapse before we can get any traction.

Like paying taxes. . .
The only way we could get Washington's attention is if every single person refused to pay their taxes at the same time.
(and that will just never happen)

I get the feeling that the politicians realize they are virtually omnipotent.

Yea the IRS machinery must be stopped. However that will affect people dependent on services the most and the rich the least. Of course the gubbamint can just print $$$ and replace taxation with inflation, which will affect the rich and chinese the most. Good idea I'd say. Inflation is needed, we have deflation now, awful.
Cool.
Buddha.

OK so they are now occupying a the port of oakland.
Starting to make sense now. They are going to make wall street pay now, by preventing chinese sheite from getting to walmart. Got it. Perfect. Should have them crying in their mansions any day now.
Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: JDezle21 on November 01, 2011, 01:36:30 PM

I agree with many of the "occupy" whatever/wherever people's points, yet I'm not spending my time sitting in a park... I'm working (in Washington, under 15k/year paying 17% tax while John Q Millionaire pay less than 3%) because i simply can't afford not too. But with out someone to step in and say this is F'd up, we aren't going to take this it will happen indefinetely. While also being true it's likely little will change as a result of this, I can at least respect people who are willing to give up some of their comforts to TRY and change an obviously broken system.
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What comforts are they giving up? Here in O-Town it's like a big frat party. Weather is beautiful they leave the parks at 2300. If they were doing this in the middle of July I'd be agreeing with you but here they choose October/November for a reason. I also don't believe sitting in a park with a sign is going to change anything.

Mary

Lmao did anyone see the "south park" episode about the 99%???

epic 

Quote from: NorwayGT1 on November 03, 2011, 11:06:05 AM
Lmao did anyone see the "south park" episode about the 99%???

epic 

No I didn't, sorry man I am too busy protesting by occupying huntersville. You know where the power of the whole world is. Huntersville NC. They have these huge refrigiration units there that makes the whole world go cold for winter. I'm protesting there. They are running full tilt now a days supplying Ice and snow for the north pole so the elves and santa can make toys for christmas.

Cool.
Buddha.

lol buddah tell em to turn that shaZam! down.. i think i froze my left nut off riding around today ha 

We even have these "occupy" things in Australia.

A bunch of students don't suddenly independently decide to do this kind of stuff. Someone or some group is behind it. Pulling the strings of it. maybe something like the Socialist Alliance or some such. Hmmm... better go grab a copy of Green Left Weekly, nah, on second thought, I do't want to insult my mind.

Michael

AFAIK, the occupy movement has climbed so rapidly that no one has co-opted them. Like the Tea party got co-opted by the Koch brothers - they have tried apparently but not succesfully.

However the movement gaining ground is nothing but bad news for the rest of the working class stiffs. OK so they get loans waived, so good, who pays for that ... exactly.

Cool.
Buddha.

Oh yea the Occupy movement - I think these were the "movementarians" that recruited Homer Simpson ... na na na na na na na leader, na na na na na na na na na na leader.

Cool.
Buddha.

lol ur having way to much fun with this!

Student don't organize themselves, is my point.

Sure, they might do a Party Night or something where booze is 50% off and everyone has a "good" time, a few pick up, a few get lucky, others don't, some stay sober, some blind rotten drunk. But this? Nah, there are some hidden string pullers here. using the students as Useful Idiots.

So I do some research...

Oh looky look. These "occupy" things all seem to have Speakers. So those Speakers needed to be Contacted and Arranged. here is some info on the so-called random spontaneous organising of these occupy things down here...

Any Thomas: member of the Climate Emergency Network, Sydney Uni Environment Collective writer for solidarity.net, co-editor Solidarity magazine, links to Socialist Alliance. Yeah, real independent this one.
Larissa Payne: regular interviewee for Green Left Weekly; activist
Mark Goudkamp: Refugee Action Coalition and Solidarity. By the way, the Green Left Weekly and Socialist Alliance run offices from the same building - Mark writes for the GLW
Claire Parfitt: Works for Greenpeace on their agriculture campaign and is an activist in the refugee solidarity movement and Cross Border Collective
Warren Smith: assistant secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia - links to GLW, SA and Socialist Worker
Daniel Robins: links to Refugee Action Coalition Sydney, hard to find much info on him.

The above people are not the Speakers but the organizers. They all have links to each other, Green Left Weekly and the Socialist Alliance. They are the useful idiots.

Spontaneous indeed 

Michael

mister, you are on top of your game as usual.
An effective post with lots of specifics.

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Quote from: The Buddha on November 04, 2011, 01:30:45 PM
Like the Tea party got co-opted by the Koch brothers - they have tried apparently but not successfully.
Cool.
Buddha.

Speaking of which. . .
Where is the Tea Party?
They have been completely out of the news since before Herman Cain was exposed as a wife beater.
Or was that a womanizer? Or was it cocaine use?
Just sayin' 
-Ej-

reading reading reading .. Hmm .. So the protesters fall into my mental category of 'tree huggers' .. Mine you Thats a very wide grouping of mine .. I usually just see them around the place making things untidy and noisy .. Then when or if they ask or offer me pamphlets etc .. Look puzzled and say whatever for? Then simply walk away .. Works with those people that hand out the vote1 blah blah papers at election time .. The day i need to be told WHO i want to vote for or WHAT i should support is the day i should stop doing either
and now Ive rambled my way so i confused myself .. Happens eh!

Quote from: Electrojake on November 05, 2011, 05:32:07 AM
mister, you are on top of your game as usual.
An effective post with lots of specifics.

-Ej-

Thanks, Ej.

Years ago when the Afghan thing was just getting going - or maybe it was the Iraq thing - we had groups down here called "Books Not Bombs" doing Protest Marches. I researched the so-called organizers and spokespeople. It was the same... they either worked for Green Left Weekly or had connections to Socialist Alliance, some even having a history of running for office under the Socialist Alliance party moniker. Some Also had connections to Workers World Party and other socialist groups and "coalitions".

Michael