Mister, I think your right about your statement and that's why I am going to hold off on rejetting. I have sent away for some carb books on Amazon, maybe more reading and investigating will provide more knowledge. Either way until I feel more comfortable I am holding off on the rejetting.

Buddha, yes I have your number and down here in Southern Florida it's rained every freaking day so I did not rejet. I too am going out of town as of this Wednesday so I don't think I am going to be able to work on the bile until the 5th

Because carbs aren't an exact science there has to be some fine tuning involved in every individual set up.

Buddah provides jets at sizes that correspond with MOST situations, but still require adjustment to the mix and idle.

Don't expect his specs to match every single situation.  The best you can do is provide him with the info of your set up and location and he'll ship out a kit for 25 bucks.  Can't really beat that.


Also, I wouldn't rejet a bike that wasn't recently serviced.  You could compound an issue your having by rejetting and think its the new jets causing your issue when its really a pre-existing condition. 

That being said, I've rejet my bike sometime ago and it has never had a hiccup.  Has run perfectly ever since, ty buddah.

I have a 04 stock muffler the k&n drop in and the buddah jet kit and have had no problem. Very good throttle response and warms right up. Easy to install and well worth the $22 can't beat that any where and I also put the o rings under the needles. Thanks

Hi budda there is definitly a catalytic converter on gs from about 2004 i cut into mine yesterday. it is situated right where the 2 into 1 pipe changes to the large diametar ,,infact the large diameter where it starts is a double skin that is part of the catalytic converter which is 2inches long it has 2  welds internaly at the back to keep it in place.i would uplload a photo i just took but for some reason photo bucket wont let me load it from my computor.i have taken measurements  so people can cut pipe and then gut it .YOU CANT GET IT  OUT OF PIPE WHOLE CAUSE IT IT IS HELD WHERE THE WELD IS IN FRONT WHERE PIPE GETS LARGER  AFTER 2 INTO ONE OUTLET  .WILL PUT UP PHOTOS WHEN I GET SORTED

Quote from: twinrat on November 22, 2011, 01:41:36 AM
Hi budda there is definitly a catalytic converter on gs from about 2004 i cut into mine yesterday. it is situated right where the 2 into 1 pipe changes to the large diametar ,,infact the large diameter where it starts is a double skin that is part of the catalytic converter which is 2inches long it has 2  welds internaly at the back to keep it in place.i would uplload a photo i just took but for some reason photo bucket wont let me load it from my computor.i have taken measurements  so people can cut pipe and then gut it .YOU CANT GET IT  OUT OF PIPE WHOLE CAUSE IT IT IS HELD WHERE THE WELD IS IN FRONT WHERE PIPE GETS LARGER  AFTER 2 INTO ONE OUTLET  .WILL PUT UP PHOTOS WHEN I GET SORTED

I've see that double wall, I thought it was just a noise reduction deal with double wall and stuffing inbetween.

Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: The Buddha on November 22, 2011, 07:50:36 AM

Quote from: twinrat on November 22, 2011, 01:41:36 AM
Hi budda there is definitly a catalytic converter on gs from about 2004 i cut into mine yesterday. it is situated right where the 2 into 1 pipe changes to the large diametar ,,infact the large diameter where it starts is a double skin that is part of the catalytic converter which is 2inches long it has 2  welds internaly at the back to keep it in place.i would uplload a photo i just took but for some reason photo bucket wont let me load it from my computor.i have taken measurements  so people can cut pipe and then gut it .YOU CANT GET IT  OUT OF PIPE WHOLE CAUSE IT IT IS HELD WHERE THE WELD IS IN FRONT WHERE PIPE GETS LARGER  AFTER 2 INTO ONE OUTLET  .WILL PUT UP PHOTOS WHEN I GET SORTED

I've see that double wall, I thought it was just a noise reduction deal with double wall and stuffing inbetween.

Cool.
Buddha.

Nope, it's a cat. It was DEFINITELY a cat. 2004+'s (Mines a 2006) have them. I believe it warns you in the exhaust install instructions on one of the slip-ons...I don't remember where though.

Quote from: ghostrider_23 on November 21, 2011, 10:49:05 AM
Damn it, just when I think I am ready to got through with this rejetting I start reading these threads about how rejetting has messed up the bike and now it doesn't run right.

It's not all bad. Re-jetted just over a week ago on a stock 06 bike to 20/60/135, 2.5 turns on the mixture screws no shim under the needle. It's really running great in the cold weather (freezing or close to freezing in the mornings) and fuel consumption doesn't seem to have changed.
I won't be able to tell how it runs in hot weather until next summer but I don't expect any trouble with that. 

Quote from: jmelchio on November 22, 2011, 10:16:27 AM

Quote from: ghostrider_23 on November 21, 2011, 10:49:05 AM
Damn it, just when I think I am ready to got through with this rejetting I start reading these threads about how rejetting has messed up the bike and now it doesn't run right.

It's not all bad. Re-jetted just over a week ago on a stock 06 bike to 20/60/135, 2.5 turns on the mixture screws no shim under the needle. It's really running great in the cold weather (freezing or close to freezing in the mornings) and fuel consumption doesn't seem to have changed.
I won't be able to tell how it runs in hot weather until next summer but I don't expect any trouble with that.

See, that's just it. My totally stock 09 runs great in warm and cold weather. My "get on bike routine" is the same for my 919 so I have none of these warm up complaints y'all have. So as I see it, rejetting would get me, exactly what I already have and thus be a waste of time. Plus, I'd be trying to fix something that wasn't broke.

Michael

I have a V&H and had the shop rejet, I rode around for 2 months prior to rejetting with the V&H and noticed it popped alot when decelerating (lean).  After rejet, still the occasional pop, but the only other noticeable improvement is a slightly quicker warm up. 

Previous start up routine:  Start bike, full choke, put on gloves and helmet, turn down choke to half and drive off, cutting choke off after about a 2 minutes.

New routine:  Start bike, full choke, put on gloves and helmet, turn off choke and drive off (not much of a difference)

I did notice a slightly better pick-up in the low RPM range, but feel I may have lost a bit in the high end (seems a bit sluggish??)

I have a 09 so did my Buddha kit have had a mid 60???

or is that solved by adding a washer?

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I am confused because I keep reading that people say they have #60 mid jets and did not add a washer. This leads me to beleive I should have gotten a mid jet along with the main and pilot jets in my kit.

Please please please can someone help me make sence of all this

Quote from: ghostrider_23 on November 22, 2011, 12:31:43 PM
I am confused because I keep reading that people say they have #60 mid jets and did not add a washer. This leads me to beleive I should have gotten a mid jet along with the main and pilot jets in my kit.

Please please please can someone help me make sence of all this

Personally, when I added my mid jets I experienced some serious bogging so that just wasn't in the cards for me.   

Quote from: The Buddha on November 21, 2011, 07:56:24 AM
DrMcninja - you put in dyno and co2 analyser on the bike and got dj dialed in ... the reason the 132 works on the dj is 2 reasons - 1 they have funky numbers - you cannot buy a 132 on the street, its 132.5 ... and they calibrate them differently and 2. the needle is an obstruction in the main, it being thinner in case of DJ is one more reason for the difference.

Its hardly fair to put in that much work on 1 and compare it to one that you haven't.

Then - there is no catalytic converter on a GS. There is a mid pipe with a perforated inner and packing around ... but no cat.
You cut that mid pipe out you wont have a place to fit the muffler without a mid pipe made for it.

I got my jetting tuned on a 89-00 for being literally the richest you can without stumbling and sputtering in the hottest dryest days you are likely to encounter. Max power is a couple sizes leaner. The 04+ formula was a sorta extension of that.

Cool.
Buddha.

I forgot to address this post. I'll find the actual measurements but it was definitely much smaller than the 147.5. It was rather apparent because it smelled like the bike was swimming in gasoline when it was fired up. Maybe it's the climate/altitude of Vegas, but it was actually probably a combination of the main/mid/pilot going up about a size, the needle being replaced and dialed in, and everything else getting replaced and cleaned. The O2 sensor made the work easy.

Quote from: ghostrider_23 on November 22, 2011, 12:31:43 PM
I am confused because I keep reading that people say they have #60 mid jets and did not add a washer. This leads me to beleive I should have gotten a mid jet along with the main and pilot jets in my kit.

Please please please can someone help me make sence of all this

Mid jets do the same as the washer. There's no point in shimming your needle if you have mids.

Oh no we have 2 cats  not just one  .The second one is at the start of the large part of the muffler it is full width of the muffler ..I have photos to show but just cant get them out  of Windows photo gallery and into photobucket though i have done so before. could some one explain how to do this  starting with photo gallery open.ONLY THING I HAVE SET IN PHOTO BUCKET IS THE PRIVACY SETTING.     ??

Quote from: Dr.McNinja on November 23, 2011, 12:12:06 AM

Quote from: The Buddha on November 21, 2011, 07:56:24 AM
DrMcninja - you put in dyno and co2 analyser on the bike and got dj dialed in ... the reason the 132 works on the dj is 2 reasons - 1 they have funky numbers - you cannot buy a 132 on the street, its 132.5 ... and they calibrate them differently and 2. the needle is an obstruction in the main, it being thinner in case of DJ is one more reason for the difference.

Its hardly fair to put in that much work on 1 and compare it to one that you haven't.

Then - there is no catalytic converter on a GS. There is a mid pipe with a perforated inner and packing around ... but no cat.
You cut that mid pipe out you wont have a place to fit the muffler without a mid pipe made for it.

I got my jetting tuned on a 89-00 for being literally the richest you can without stumbling and sputtering in the hottest dryest days you are likely to encounter. Max power is a couple sizes leaner. The 04+ formula was a sorta extension of that.

Cool.
Buddha.

I forgot to address this post. I'll find the actual measurements but it was definitely much smaller than the 147.5. It was rather apparent because it smelled like the bike was swimming in gasoline when it was fired up. Maybe it's the climate/altitude of Vegas, but it was actually probably a combination of the main/mid/pilot going up about a size, the needle being replaced and dialed in, and everything else getting replaced and cleaned. The O2 sensor made the work easy.

Quote from: ghostrider_23 on November 22, 2011, 12:31:43 PM
I am confused because I keep reading that people say they have #60 mid jets and did not add a washer. This leads me to beleive I should have gotten a mid jet along with the main and pilot jets in my kit.

Please please please can someone help me make sence of all this

Mid jets do the same as the washer. There's no point in shimming your needle if you have mids.

The DJ 132 is a weird size but likely smaller than 147.5 however that works only cos the DJ needle is so thin.
Once again you should not compare apples vs oranges. If you did a co2 and dyno tune with a dj set after cleaning your carbs and what not, you should compare that to a stock needle, 147.5 and what not after dyno and co2 tuning it.

Its possible you still have a better runner wiht a dj kit, especially cos I think my bike with the DJ is running the 136 where it ran great. However I am yet to finish my experiments with it, I sold that bike after pulling the carbs off and putting stock needle etc and jetting it, and put the DJ carbs on the bike that's yet to run in my ownership ...

Hot and dry and high altitude = need smaller jets. Your DJ132 may be spot on ... and you may need to try a 145 or so with stock needle - I am not sure.

Anyway for my experiments, I ran the co2 sensor etc etc on the 89-00 bike in canada in winter and ended up on 150 for K&N and pipe. I also ran that in california in summer and found that it didn't stumble in the hot and dry weather. I would say that is the extent of my experiment, 150 is absolutely as rich as you can get and its likely to work in all weather @ sea level. It wont make the best power, it will let it run the coolest and be the least trouble around the year.

Cool.
Buddha.