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Started by fraze11, November 24, 2011, 06:40:59 AM

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fraze11

North American Stats;

2009 GS500F, 2003 CBR F4i

Electrojake

It's called "rush hour".
I ride it every day.
It starts at about 3:30PM and goes strong until about 7:30PM.
It totally ruined Long Island years ago and is now making New Jersey pretty much useless to ride a bike in.

Nice poster up there!
-Ej-
Current Stable: Suzuki DL1000k6, a Grom, two 70's vintage PUCH mopeds, and my kid's WR250R

Paulcet

3 levels of lies:


Lies
Damn lies
Statistics


'97 GS500E Custom by dgyver: GSXR rear shock | SV gauges | Yoshi exh. | K & N Lunchbox | Kat forks | Custom rearsets | And More!

PachmanP

Actually what's most interesting is that it's 6-9 on weekends that's the worst. Prolly folks riding home from dinner after a beer, or some other alcohol related happening.
'04 F to an E to a wreck to a Wee Strom?
HEL stainless brake lines
15W fork oil
Kat 600 Rear shock
K&N drop in and Buddha jets
It wants me to go brokedie.

Electrojake

#4
Quote from: PachmanP on November 25, 2011, 06:57:24 PM
Actually what's most interesting is that it's 6-9 on weekends that's the worst.
Prolly folks riding home from dinner after a beer, or some other alcohol related happening.

David L. Hough in his first book: Proficient Motorcycling- The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well, details the issue.
He looks at the statistics and presents his conclusions rather well.
It's been quite a few years since I did the reading but I believe he explained that you needn't worry about the statistics too much because the motorcycle death & injury numbers are predominantly filled by those riders that choose to fill them.

Don't ride around like an innocent victim looking for a place to be taken advantage of. Ride like a fighter pilot operating in hostile territory.
The reality is that all I have to do is relax or get distracted just once and I may be going down, and I'll have no one to blame except myself.
Which is why I love this sport.  :thumb:
-Ej-
Current Stable: Suzuki DL1000k6, a Grom, two 70's vintage PUCH mopeds, and my kid's WR250R

bill14224

I don't believe this is accurate.  We don't know how many bikes are on the road at any given hour of the day, so drawing conclusions about when is the worst time to drive goes out the window.  All other things being equal, (which is often not the case) you will have more bike crashes when there are more bikes on the road.  That doesn't necessarily mean that time of day is inherently more dangerous than any other.  Where I live I find the most dangerous times to ride seems to be whenever deer are active.  I have more close calls with deer than cars.
V&H pipes, K&N drop-in, seat by KnoPlace.com, 17/39 sprockets, matching grips, fenderectomy, short signals, new mirrors - 10 scariest words: "I'm here from the government and I'm here to help!"

Electrojake

Quote from: bill14224 on November 30, 2011, 12:18:39 PM
I don't believe this is accurate. 
We don't know how many bikes are on the road at any given hour of the day, so drawing conclusions about when is the worst time to drive goes out the window.   
I have more close calls with deer than cars.
It looks like the chat at the top of the thread is correct.
The DOT and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) revealed data from 2009 which shows the time of day a motorcyclist has the greatest risk of being injured or killed.

The most dangerous time to ride during the week is from 3 p.m. to 6 p.m.
In 2009, 513 motorcyclists died during these hours.

The safest time is from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. In 2009, 73 motorcycle deaths were reported during these hours.

Here's a couple links...
They're all referencing the same NHTSA data so it's pretty much the same story, over & over when you do a search.
http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/motorcycle/
http://www.motoreagles.com/home/blog/safesttimetoride/


As for a deer strike. . . I'm impervious!
I got one of these puppy's...



-Ej-
Current Stable: Suzuki DL1000k6, a Grom, two 70's vintage PUCH mopeds, and my kid's WR250R

bill14224

#7
Quote from: Electrojake on November 30, 2011, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: bill14224 on November 30, 2011, 12:18:39 PM
I don't believe this is accurate. 
We don't know how many bikes are on the road at any given hour of the day, so drawing conclusions about when is the worst time to drive goes out the window.   
I have more close calls with deer than cars.
It looks like the chat at the top of the thread is correct.
The DOT and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) revealed data from 2009 which shows the time of day a motorcyclist has the greatest risk of being injured or killed.

The most dangerous time to ride during the week is from 3 p.m. to 6 p.m.
In 2009, 513 motorcyclists died during these hours.

The safest time is from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. In 2009, 73 motorcycle deaths were reported during these hours.

Here's a couple links...
They're all referencing the same NHTSA data so it's pretty much the same story, over & over when you do a search.
http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/motorcycle/
http://www.motoreagles.com/home/blog/safesttimetoride/


As for a deer strike. . . I'm impervious!
I got one of these puppy's...



-Ej-

Again, those stats don't take into account how many bikes are rolling down the road at any given time.  Those stats are not collected.  In order to find out when is the most dangerous time to operate a motorcycle in any particular place we need to know how much bike traffic there is throughout the day, and divide the number of bike crashes in that area by the number of bikes operating in that area during that hour.  People create false impressions with stats all the time and this is one of them although I don't believe it's being done deliberately.  The most dangerous time to operate a motorcycle would be the time when there are the most crashes per number of bikes on the road at that time, NOT THE BIGGEST TOTAL NUMBER OF CRASHES.  They could coincide, but not necessarily at all.
V&H pipes, K&N drop-in, seat by KnoPlace.com, 17/39 sprockets, matching grips, fenderectomy, short signals, new mirrors - 10 scariest words: "I'm here from the government and I'm here to help!"

Electrojake

Quote from: bill14224 on December 03, 2011, 01:43:03 PM

Again, those stats don't take into account how many bikes are rolling down the road at any given time. 
Those stats are not collected.  In order to find out when is the most dangerous time to operate a motorcycle in any particular place we need to know how much bike traffic there is throughout the day, and divide the number of bike crashes in that area by the number of bikes operating in that area during that hour. 

People create false impressions with stats all the time and this is one of them although I don't believe it's being done deliberately. 

O.K. then, Two issues deserve mention here. . .
1.) You have a mighty nice GS500. That thing looks spotless! Just sayin'.
2.) Forget the stats.  If you had to take a guess, (estimate/opinion, etc..) when do you feel is the most dangerous time to ride, (excluding foul weather conditions)?

BTW: I have my own theory on this too.
-Ej-
Current Stable: Suzuki DL1000k6, a Grom, two 70's vintage PUCH mopeds, and my kid's WR250R

ghostrider_23

On Black Friday.

People have got to get those deals  :mad:

Electrojake

Jeez. . .
Ten posts and the motorcycle safety thread dies?  :dunno_black:
I thought this thread would start getting interesting by this point.
Oh well, I guess I can always head over to the Tard Farm for a go.
fraze11, that was indeed a good thread starter.

Just sayin'
-Ej-
Current Stable: Suzuki DL1000k6, a Grom, two 70's vintage PUCH mopeds, and my kid's WR250R

Big Rich

Statistically, the most dangerous time for me is when I'm riding. When the bike is parked in the garage my chances of injury plummet! :D
83 GR650 (riding / rolling project)

It's opener there in the wide open air...

bill14224

#12
Quote from: Electrojake on December 03, 2011, 04:50:48 PM
Quote from: bill14224 on December 03, 2011, 01:43:03 PM

Again, those stats don't take into account how many bikes are rolling down the road at any given time. 
Those stats are not collected.  In order to find out when is the most dangerous time to operate a motorcycle in any particular place we need to know how much bike traffic there is throughout the day, and divide the number of bike crashes in that area by the number of bikes operating in that area during that hour. 

People create false impressions with stats all the time and this is one of them although I don't believe it's being done deliberately. 

O.K. then, Two issues deserve mention here. . .
1.) You have a mighty nice GS500. That thing looks spotless! Just sayin'.
2.) Forget the stats.  If you had to take a guess, (estimate/opinion, etc..) when do you feel is the most dangerous time to ride, (excluding foul weather conditions)?

BTW: I have my own theory on this too.
-Ej-

Thanks for the flowers!  That pretty bike will cross 30,000 miles next time I ride it.  I need to repaint the pipes but it still looks like the photo otherwise.

Ok, you want my seat-of-the-pants where I live 30+ year impression?  To me the most dangerous times other than when it's slippery of course would be around dawn and around dusk.  That's when the deer are most active and visibility can be poor because the Sun is on the horizon.  The rest I can deal with.  If you're in traffic you gotta watch out on Fridays particularly.  People have their heads up their arses on Friday more than any other day.

One more thing to add on this.  If you're going home half smashed in the middle of the night, particularly if you're under-dressed so you'll be more likely to want to get home faster, you're in more danger than in any other situation at any time and you're nuts for doing it.  I could make a list of all the dead people I know for that reason.  Their wives/girlfriends usually do even worse.
V&H pipes, K&N drop-in, seat by KnoPlace.com, 17/39 sprockets, matching grips, fenderectomy, short signals, new mirrors - 10 scariest words: "I'm here from the government and I'm here to help!"

Electrojake

Quote from: bill14224 on December 11, 2011, 08:01:00 AM
Ok, you want my seat-of-the-pants where I live 30+ year impression? 
To me the most dangerous times other than when it's slippery of course would be around dawn and around dusk.  That's when the deer are most active and visibility can be poor...

I can't find much to argue with in your response. You got it right!
And in a shorter form, I would say that Big Rich hit the nail on the head. If the bike is parked, nobody gets hurt.  :thumb:

Agreed. Dusk for me means difficult visibility, residual evening commuters trying to get home, and my favorite: Deer.
During dawn, the only uncomfortable issue for me is frost/ice on road surfaces.
No matter how cold it is, by about 9:30AM the road surface is clean & totally visible (much safer than say, the same road at 6:30AM when I'm riding to work).

Drinking & driving...
In my day drunk driving was actually considered a sport, not a crime. 
I'm living proof that God did co-pilot duty from 1973 to about 1993. I survived those days and due to new DUI laws the streets are safer for everyone.

Even more off-topic but kinda' related. . .
During my rides through the highways & byways of New Jersey I am always fascinated when I see several Harleys parked in front of the local tavern.
I can't imagine what it must be like to sit in a bar all afternoon shooting pool & drinking and then ride the "Hog" home to the "old lady" at night, drunk.
Seems nuts to me.  :dunno_black:
-Ej-
Current Stable: Suzuki DL1000k6, a Grom, two 70's vintage PUCH mopeds, and my kid's WR250R

ghostrider_23

I don't know about times as much as I would say around certain areas. Malls, highways, places where women shop lol

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