Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 09:52:51 AM
You'll find this forum does tend to stray from the original topics quite often.  As long as the information being posted is useful it is allowed.  Welcome to the circus   

-Jessie

Lmao I love this forum. 

Quote from: shonole on February 24, 2012, 04:08:55 PM

Unless he had the reaction time of a jet pilot (and even then), there is nothing he could have done.  Should he have left more space between him and the car in front of him?  Probably.  But then, you can argue, since the driver of the xB failed to slow regardless, she would have hit him at a greater speed, likely causing greater injury. 

Monitoring mirrors prior to stopping changes the entire scenario.  And is also purely speculative.  There is no guarantee he would have seen the xB (closing speed, lane changes, etc.) and been able to react sooner.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.   I posted that video initially because it reminds me so much of the rear ender I avoided in the work truck by paying attention to what was happening behind me.

-Jessie

Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: shonole on February 24, 2012, 04:08:55 PM

Unless he had the reaction time of a jet pilot (and even then), there is nothing he could have done.  Should he have left more space between him and the car in front of him?  Probably.  But then, you can argue, since the driver of the xB failed to slow regardless, she would have hit him at a greater speed, likely causing greater injury. 

Monitoring mirrors prior to stopping changes the entire scenario.  And is also purely speculative.  There is no guarantee he would have seen the xB (closing speed, lane changes, etc.) and been able to react sooner.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.   I posted that video initially because it reminds me so much of the rear ender I avoided in the work truck by paying attention to what was happening behind me.

-Jessie

I'm glad that you were able to avoid a rear end that way.  But I can promise you it was an anomaly.  Having spent the past decade in vehicular accident reconstruction (with the SWTEN, GOHS and NHTSA), I wish things were as easy as "be prepared, avoid the accident".  Unfortunately there are hundreds of factors in each accident, and most are unavoidable (for the not at-fault driver).

FWIW, I agree with you.  Scan your mirrors, shoulder check, stay in gear.  I'm more nervous at a stoplight/sign than anywhere else.

Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: shonole on February 24, 2012, 04:08:55 PM

Unless he had the reaction time of a jet pilot (and even then), there is nothing he could have done.  Should he have left more space between him and the car in front of him?  Probably.  But then, you can argue, since the driver of the xB failed to slow regardless, she would have hit him at a greater speed, likely causing greater injury. 

Monitoring mirrors prior to stopping changes the entire scenario.  And is also purely speculative.  There is no guarantee he would have seen the xB (closing speed, lane changes, etc.) and been able to react sooner.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.   I posted that video initially because it reminds me so much of the rear ender I avoided in the work truck by paying attention to what was happening behind me.

-Jessie

That video you posted was a rare occasion where I think that the car in front actually in a freak way helped him. If he had been sitting back further I think he would have been launched. I am not condoning following people closely, I like to always have an escape route but accidents can have really weird results like the one in this vid.

Quote from: shonole on February 24, 2012, 04:27:24 PM

Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: shonole on February 24, 2012, 04:08:55 PM

Unless he had the reaction time of a jet pilot (and even then), there is nothing he could have done.  Should he have left more space between him and the car in front of him?  Probably.  But then, you can argue, since the driver of the xB failed to slow regardless, she would have hit him at a greater speed, likely causing greater injury. 

Monitoring mirrors prior to stopping changes the entire scenario.  And is also purely speculative.  There is no guarantee he would have seen the xB (closing speed, lane changes, etc.) and been able to react sooner.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.   I posted that video initially because it reminds me so much of the rear ender I avoided in the work truck by paying attention to what was happening behind me.

-Jessie

I'm glad that you were able to avoid a rear end that way.  But I can promise you it was an anomaly.  Having spent the past decade in vehicular accident reconstruction (with the SWTEN, GOHS and NHTSA), I wish things were as easy as "be prepared, avoid the accident".  Unfortunately there are hundreds of factors in each accident, and most are unavoidable (for the not at-fault driver).

FWIW, I agree with you.  Scan your mirrors, shoulder check, stay in gear.  I'm more nervous at a stoplight/sign than anywhere else.

Glad to know there is an expert on this board    This discussion has been the liveliest part of an otherwise boring day, I love this board!

-Jessie

Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 05:08:36 PM

Quote from: shonole on February 24, 2012, 04:27:24 PM

Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: shonole on February 24, 2012, 04:08:55 PM

Unless he had the reaction time of a jet pilot (and even then), there is nothing he could have done.  Should he have left more space between him and the car in front of him?  Probably.  But then, you can argue, since the driver of the xB failed to slow regardless, she would have hit him at a greater speed, likely causing greater injury. 

Monitoring mirrors prior to stopping changes the entire scenario.  And is also purely speculative.  There is no guarantee he would have seen the xB (closing speed, lane changes, etc.) and been able to react sooner.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.   I posted that video initially because it reminds me so much of the rear ender I avoided in the work truck by paying attention to what was happening behind me.

-Jessie

I'm glad that you were able to avoid a rear end that way.  But I can promise you it was an anomaly.  Having spent the past decade in vehicular accident reconstruction (with the SWTEN, GOHS and NHTSA), I wish things were as easy as "be prepared, avoid the accident".  Unfortunately there are hundreds of factors in each accident, and most are unavoidable (for the not at-fault driver).

FWIW, I agree with you.  Scan your mirrors, shoulder check, stay in gear.  I'm more nervous at a stoplight/sign than anywhere else.

Glad to know there is an expert on this board    This discussion has been the liveliest part of an otherwise boring day, I love this board!

-Jessie

Me too!  I'm a member of numerous forums, and this is, by far, the most comfortable, helpful group I've had the pleasure of sharing with.   

A pleasure to give you your first kharma point sir   

-Jessie

Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 06:33:57 PM
A pleasure to give you your first kharma point sir   

-Jessie

Why thank you Sir.   

I believe you have me mistaken for Adfalchius (top end rebuild chick), all male here   

-Jessie 

Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 08:01:01 PM
I believe you have me mistaken for Adfalchius (top end rebuild chick), all male here   

-Jessie

Hahaha.  Sorry, fixed.

That's what I get for doing homework at the same time as I'm on here.

One person is doing homework, one is watching a Futurama re-run; who's life is more fulfilling??   

-Jessie

Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 08:16:24 PM
One person is doing homework, one is watching a Futurama re-run; who's life is more fulfilling??   

-Jessie

That's probably how I'll end my night. 

The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings sounds like a great episode right about now. 

Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 24, 2012, 08:01:01 PM
I believe you have me mistaken for Adfalchius (top end rebuild chick), all male here   

-Jessie

Maybe if you spelled your name like most guys, people wouldn't be confused   

About keeping in gear and scanning...I have a friend who avoided an accident this way at a stop light.  She felt the car behind her was coming up too quickly and pulled forward and to the side.  The car ended up stopping right where she had been.  The driver apologized and said she just wasn't paying attention and 'didn't see' her.

In air-cooled bikes, I have experienced clutch slippage when the bike gets hot in stop and go traffic. Basically, there is nothing you can do other than either stop and let it cool off, or get out of that traffic and take a route that is not stop and go.

BTW, after sitting at at hundreds of lights in the city, I have adopted the safety-school no-no strategy of putting it in neutral at the stop lights. Helps with the clutch issue (only a little) and also my less-than-Schwarzenegger hand grip after hundreds of lights. Just sayin'. Maybe my hyper-paranoid-awareness of all things around me in the city lets me know who's behind me before I pop it out of gear.

if any one could explain why there frction plates go blue and dont  affect clutch action i will have been doing it wrong for 45years .to blue your clutch plates they would have had to have reached a temperature of between 560degrees to 640 degrees fahreheit inside your clutch basket which tells me your clutch is not running as free as you think it is.Iwould rather be in neutral if i got shunted from behind because a rear wheel shunt will jerk your throttle hand back and make you probably drop your
your clutch , YAHHOOOO full ahead forward.  IF a vehicle reverses just you try getting out of gear while your OVERHEATED clutch IS TRYING TO DRAG YOU FORWARD ..

Quote from: twinrat on February 25, 2012, 01:27:11 AM
Iwould rather be in neutral if i got shunted from behind because a rear wheel shunt will jerk your throttle hand back and make you probably drop your
your clutch , YAHHOOOO full ahead forward.

I'm willing to bet that you will stall before this happens but that is beside the point. If it has worked for you for 45 years keep on doing what you been doing. Just letting you know that motorcycle courses are teaching you to take care of yourself before your clutch plates these days.

courses are there so you at least survive the first ten miles .but you cant beat experience.

Loud pipes save lives.
Don't touch the front brake.
Had to lay er down.

And my brand new favorite:
I didn't want to fry the clutch, so I was a sitting duck.


Sweet !

Quote from: twinrat on February 25, 2012, 01:27:11 AM
if any one could explain why there frction plates go blue and dont  affect clutch action i will have been doing it wrong for 45years .to blue your clutch plates they would have had to have reached a temperature of between 560degrees to 640 degrees fahreheit inside your clutch basket which tells me your clutch is not running as free as you think it is.Iwould rather be in neutral if i got shunted from behind because a rear wheel shunt will jerk your throttle hand back and make you probably drop your
your clutch , YAHHOOOO full ahead forward.  IF a vehicle reverses just you try getting out of gear while your OVERHEATED clutch IS TRYING TO DRAG YOU FORWARD ..

Biker is too close to the vehicle in front if he/she can't throttle around in the left or right lane, or shoulder.

Clutch isn't adjusted properly.

The rear wheel usually gets slammed horizontal (along with bike and rider) in a rear ender. It won't escape the 2000+ pounds of stupid that just hit it and suddenly wheelie, anywhere.



There was a thread once, about some guys out for a ride. Stopped at a light and watched the chevy full size, extra cab stop behind them in their mirrors. Then they relaxed, and kicked it into neutral. Shortly afterwards a drunk driver parked his car THROUGH the pickup and onto them. Could they have heard or seen it coming ? Don't know, wasn't there. I'll just keep doing things the clutch frying, uncomfortable, paranoid way.

Might as well jam some metallica @ 11 and look for quarters on the ground too.

Took it for a good 100mph 50 mile ragging last night.    Was a bit weird at first, clutch cooked a bit and acted up at 90ish. pulled over, readjusted by slacking it off slightly, i reckon i got it perfec now. Didn't play up at all and i went nuts on the poor girl.