mmmmmhmmmm... lol... i have had a real slow day in office... clicked on an email link a mate sent me for bike stuff.... and finally escaped from YT 4.5 hours later!!...

the big bore real rifle... well... i can see the value in it for maybe elephants ...

but the air gun... ok... i reckon its funny as .. and i would have a go of one... but... ..... but..... wha?! .... theres links online for lads asking about deer takedowns etc... whats up with gunpowder?.... these the new 'green' guns or what?

Unless you are into airgunning you wouldn't understand the attraction of big bore.

I've seen goat taken with them. Quite impressive.

Ain't that airgunning thingie a bit cruel with animals? Wonder what the goat said? Like, if you have to kill an animal, do it fast/quick/clean like you'd want it done to yourself Gave up shooting animals years ago when one night I put a military hard-point out of a ex-Austrian Army Mauser 30.06 carbine with an integral 5-round magazine(I put that technical stuff in 'cos I know how that Yamahawhatthefurg guy gets a big hard on with the gun details) straight through the nose of a lovely female kangaroo and - dead as she was - her joey climbed out of the pouch. Tried to keep the little one alive but they get the squirts even on lactose-free milk and he (yup a little boy fella) died after a few days. I've never forgiven myself for that. But, what the heck, off you go killing animals with airguns and talking about velocities and foot-pounds and feeling good...mind you, I could see you crying home to yer mum if a bloke put a -177 up your arseend. End of vent....arggggh.

Quote from: Janx101 on January 28, 2013, 10:06:27 PM

the big bore real rifle... well... i can see the value in it for maybe elephants ...

If you have ever had the unpleasant experience of someone using the wrong tool for the job. I.E> a .223 to "take down" a bambi at 50 yards, then spent 3 hours in the failing light trying to find said bambi to finish the job - you will understand the appeal of a slightly larger bore which gets the job done.  "No worries" is right - you want the job done right, quick and efficient.

I have never had anything get up and run away after getting tagged by the .308 (150grain HP) - sure it tenderises the meat a little bit, and you have to be a little bit careful you dont ruin the offside shoulder... I guess I could be sporting and use the .410 side by side, but Sika deer are a pain in the proverbial to sneak up on..

I got a Panther Arms AR-15 5.56 and .223, a 12 ga. Mossberg 500, a Remmington 700 30-06, and soon I will have a Barreta 9mm with them hollow points.

noworries, big bore airgunning Needs to rely on the Stalk to get close enough so it is a one shot kill. You ain't shooting much with a big bore airgun at 100 yards.

As for roos, for next time (if there ever is one) all females are with child all the time. If you shoot one there will be a youngen in the pouch of Some size. Might be the jellybean size blob like thing or capable of eating etc on its own, but there will be something in the pouch.

Kiwi, I don't see anything wrong with hitting a bambi with a 223 - providing - you can be assured of shot placement at an appropriate range. A bambi will run off just as much from a misplaced 223 round as a 308 which breaks off its jaw so that it dies of starvation somewhere down the line. Not saying you should go stalking full grown bucks with 223, just pointing out that a misplaced shot can be just as bad as an underpowered weapon choice. - Now where did I put my 177 airgun, I've got a water buffalo problem...

Quote from: mister on January 30, 2013, 11:59:43 AM

Kiwi, I don't see anything wrong with hitting a bambi with a 223 - providing - you can be assured of shot placement at an appropriate range. A bambi will run off just as much from a misplaced 223 round as a 308 which breaks off its jaw so that it dies of starvation somewhere down the line. Not saying you should go stalking full grown bucks with 223, just pointing out that a misplaced shot can be just as bad as an underpowered weapon choice. - Now where did I put my 177 airgun, I've got a water buffalo problem...

Agreed - I definately would use a .223 for deer if I could get slightly closer to them critters to be assured of reliable placement. I have gone after goats at reasonable range with a .223 on open ground where I can get close and know they are not going to get up again. 

As for air, I have seen some absolute fluke shots with a .177 on bunnies.. Water buffalo you say.. I see your .177 and raise you with a 2.0 rock.. 

Quote from: Kiwingenuity on January 30, 2013, 11:26:25 AM

Quote from: Janx101 on January 28, 2013, 10:06:27 PM

the big bore real rifle... well... i can see the value in it for maybe elephants ...

If you have ever had the unpleasant experience of someone using the wrong tool for the job. I.E> a .223 to "take down" a bambi at 50 yards, then spent 3 hours in the failing light trying to find said bambi to finish the job - you will understand the appeal of a slightly larger bore which gets the job done.  "No worries" is right - you want the job done right, quick and efficient.

I have never had anything get up and run away after getting tagged by the .308 (150grain HP) - sure it tenderises the meat a little bit, and you have to be a little bit careful you dont ruin the offside shoulder... I guess I could be sporting and use the .410 side by side, but Sika deer are a pain in the proverbial to sneak up on..

yeah i get your point... and know the experiences you mentioned also... but .. you did watch that 1st video right?.. its .950 calibre!! .. using a 2,400 gn projectile!! .. with 240gn of powder!!!!!!! .. THAT gun .. sure you could hit anything with it i suppose... even a sparrow if your real steady?! ... but ... apart from Elephant, M1 Abhrams Tank .. or perhaps an Aircraft Carrier!! .. i cant think of much it'd really be needed for?!...

i'd love to see it being used on a range .. but i wouldn't use it... every single one of those fools in the video .. over the benchrest ... even though most of them kept a straight face .. you can tell it hurt them .. and not just a little bit ... far out... i've had a single shot out of a .450 Ackley ... safari rifle .. standing up .. and that bastard hurt.. and yes i know how to shoot.. with the .950 JDJ ... i just wouldnt bother.. when i shoot .. or used to shoot/hunt/target range .. any big bore stuff.. i keep the recoil lower so its not punishing ... some of the mates would do the whole hairy chest beating thing about mega recoil and how they loved it... i just loved seeing the dark red/purple/yellow bruises in their shoulder ... turn to blue/dark purple/green bruises ... fools

Then there was the night we were out in the Landie spotlighting rabbits and a couple hopped in and up under the vehicle and Bruce, panicking that we were going to start letting off rounds under the Landie (pissed as we were) shouts out "Don't shoot, don't shoot, I'll get out and root 'em to death!!!" Don't like killing animals anymore but have to confess to having  had a few crazy experiences in the past.
RIP Bruce, we all still remember ya, ya mad bastard.

Lol... Root a rabbit to death ... Bahahahahhaaa

Geez... You'd have to .... Root like a rabbit! 

Shot placement is key, always. In my earlier, not so proud years, I witnessed many a deer dropped by .22lr. I use .270 almost exclusively but it's much louder than one would want when not wanting the world to know you shot a deer.

That .950 is a bit insane - I have used .416, .427 and .50BMG bolt actions at a range - can't personally see a need for a rifle much bigger than that..

The most fun we used to have on range was light cannon (4 pounder) - was amazed to see how far they can sling a piece of steel. That and your shoulder didnt have to be stuffed by the end of a few days on range... 

Love the .50 and was really impressed with the .416.  But I still don't see a reason for either size outside of military applications. Hell, even .338 is a "look how big mine is" round.

The biggest problem with big calibres is the running costs - even with reloading.  Theres a lot to be said for plinking with the .22.

Here's a question - since we are a "new country" - whats the oldest beast anyone has and still uses? The oldest I own is Sep '36 Remington .22, and my brother has an 1880 Martini Henry .303 (was rechambered to the "new" calibre in 1898).

The oldest I Had was a Swedish Mauser M96 from Carl Gustafs with a synthetic stock on it. Don't remember the Exact age but Carl made them between 1896 and 1932. When I took it to the range and fired it people nearby would Always pause and look at me. I never understood why until I let a friend shoot it. I was in the next booth and the shockwave washed over me. So That was why they used to look and eventually ask what it was I was shooting.

That baby packed a punch alright and it made sense when you know they use them in Sweden to shoot Moose. I only used to put 20 rounds through it a session though.

My shooting buddy had an early 1900s 303. He removed the wooden stock and put a synthetic on it cause the steel butt pad was causing him grief after shooting a 20 round box.

I don't own the M96 anymore though.

Reminds me of my m91/30. My friend and I went to the range and he took the bench right next to mine even though no one else was there. He said the shockwave made him jump a little every shot.

The dirty ammo looks pretty cool with the muzzlebrake too 

20mm anzio, damn i like bigt rifles. but i kinda have to draw the line at something that is taller/longer than i am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ft2j6J4NcY
a 50BMG ( or as i call it BFG lol) thats a half inch in diametre the .950jdj nearly twice that. can only imagine ammo cost. course if you could afford the gun, you wont Buddha Loves You too much about ammo cost Eh?

oh damn lol

I regularly shoot a 1912 Swiss k1911 rifle. But it's not uncommon to break out a 1890's Winchester lever action.

have owned. sold and traded more than i can remember. favorites where the 22 hornet and 22 swift for ground hogs. 30-06 and 45-70 for woods hunting for deer and a remington 700 bdl 7 mag for field hunting for them. not too many pistols..a few 22 caliber but favorite was a 44 mag bisley ruger. loaded with the right powder it was a pleasure to shoot and very accurate. pretty much sold off all my gun stuff. lost interest. bikes are more fun and less expensive!  ( ok maybe) down to a 22 revolver i got from my dad, its a h&r trapper model. it does not get shot,being a collector. and a 50 caliber t/c muzzleloader for the occasional deer hunt.