Motorcycles filtering is it legal

Also Lane splitting your thoughts

In California you can line split, in Kentucky you get a big fat ticket for unsafe driving etc. I see nothing wrong with line splitting and think it should be allowed in any large city etc. I don't think it should be allowed on the interstate unless traffic is at a stand still.

Quote from: wayne242 on March 19, 2013, 07:27:35 PM
In California you can line split, in Kentucky you get a big fat ticket for unsafe driving etc. I see nothing wrong with line splitting and think it should be allowed in any large city etc. I don't think it should be allowed on the interstate unless traffic is at a stand still.

I'm in QLD Australia...

Anyone know the ruling here?

I think it should be legal as why would you have a bike if you can't do it..

Helps with congestion too!

HA! they do random breath test over there, your not getting lane splitting 

It's illegal in Qld. Depending on the place and the cop it's something like 2 or 3 hundred per car you pass. It's stupid it should be allowed at least in the south east. But if you play your cards right some smart lane changing you can get to the front.

It is illegal here Pete. But in saying that, I do it all the time and in front of police and have never been pulled over for it so it depends on how you do it and where you do it if the police want to ticket you.

see here is the problem, what you call it.  there is no such thing as filtering or lane splitting, they are not defined in the traffic regulations.  However overtaking is defined and the conditions under which it is allowed is also defined.  So when I was pulled over last year for overtaking stationary vehicles at a red light, armed with a knowledge and an electronic copy of the traffic regulations, I successfully discussed and argued my point with the moto traffic copper (in Queensland).  No ticket was issued. 

Now this success hinged on two things, knowing the traffic regulations better than the traffic cop did (I am not a lawyer, just a very well versed person in traffic law) and making him aware that I was recording the conversation.  Knowledge is power, so I had it over him in that regard and because he tried to change his story half way through our discussion he realised my recording would have shown his indecision in court, enough for reasonable doubt.

Quote from: ThatOtherGuy on March 19, 2013, 09:21:48 PM
see here is the problem, what you call it.  there is no such thing as filtering or lane splitting, they are not defined in the traffic regulations.  However overtaking is defined and the conditions under which it is allowed is also defined.  So when I was pulled over last year for overtaking stationary vehicles at a red light, armed with a knowledge and an electronic copy of the traffic regulations, I successfully discussed and argued my point with the moto traffic copper (in Queensland).  No ticket was issued. 

Now this success hinged on two things, knowing the traffic regulations better than the traffic cop did (I am not a lawyer, just a very well versed person in traffic law) and making him aware that I was recording the conversation.  Knowledge is power, so I had it over him in that regard and because he tried to change his story half way through our discussion he realised my recording would have shown his indecision in court, enough for reasonable doubt.

True .. I like it, just hope the same JACK (copper) dosen't hound you and get you for any little thing... I'm thinking just do what ya like , if ya get a ticket we always have SPUR here in Qld.. $5 a week to them revenue Gov't suckers and that is how they want the public on a trickle feed off $$ going to the Gov't in revenue!!   

There's actually about 6 things they can get you for....

Passing without indication, passing on the left, not travelling within a designated lane, travelling within 1 metre of another vehicle, umn that's 5.. but they add up.. ask the next bike cop who you see... he'll know.

Quote from: codajastal on March 19, 2013, 11:02:57 PM
There's actually about 6 things they can get you for....

Passing without indication, passing on the left, not travelling within a designated lane, travelling within 1 metre of another vehicle, umn that's 5.. but they add up.. ask the next bike cop who you see... he'll know.

He'll know all right 

AUSTRALIAN FIRST LANE FILTERING TRIAL FOR MOTORCYCLISTS IN THE SYDNEY CBD

MEDIA RELEASE 18 October 2012 AUSTRALIAN FIRST LANE FILTERING TRIAL FOR MOTORCYCLISTS IN THE SYDNEY CBD.The NSW Government will allow motorcyclists to filter through stationary vehicles at CBD intersections to test if the practice improves traffic flow.

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/on-your-bike-motorbike-riders-may-be-allowed-to-ride-in-gap-between-cars/story-fndo4eg9-1226476525422



LANE splitting, in which of motorcyclists ride down the gap between lines of stalled traffic, could be legalised and even encouraged to help reduce congestion.
It annoys some motorists and in limited circumstances could be dangerous. But federal MPs in Canberra today were told it was an option that had to be considered.

And Victoria is close to permitting the practice, also known as "filtering".

Shaun Lennard, chairman of the Australian Motorcycle Council and chair the federal Motorcycle Safety Consultative Committee, said laws had to be changed to encourage more users of PTWs - powered two wheels.

"One initiative currently under consideration in Victoria is a trial of legalised filtering - that is, riding between stationery or very slow-moving lines of traffic," Mr Lennard said in a speech to MPs at a Canberra breakfast.

"This is a common practice in the majority of major cities, yet in most cases it is technically illegal.

"It's largely overlooked by police, and it's something that has worked for decades and makes sense. Some European countries have been looking at legitimising filtering."

Mr Lennard said London and Paris were making it easier for cyclists and motorcyclists to use the cities' roads, and that European research had shown traffic congestion could be eased by increasing PTW numbers.

But in Australia, "Last year we had the National Transport Commission release a detailed report on the future of transport in Australia, with all sorts of data and graphs showing changes and trends - a report which failed to make any reference to motorcycling.

"This despite the fact that the number of registered motorcycles had grown by 7 per cent per year for the previous decade."

A Belgian study last year looked at morning peak traffic on a major highway between a satellite city, Leuven, and Brussels.

Detailed modelling calculated that if 10 per cent of the car users had instead been on motorcycles, congestion would have been reduced by around 40 per cent - a major saving for all road users.

Mr Lennard said most Australian governments had not looked at similar policies despite a huge growth in the number of people - particularly women - now regularly riding motorbikes and scooters.

He said there had been "a dramatic increase in the number of motorcycles and scooters on the roads" in the past decade.

"In Australia, the number of registered motorcycles has almost doubled over the past 11 years to around 700,000. That's an annual increase of almost 7 per cent, which compares to an average annual increase in registrations across all vehicle types of around 3 per cent over the same period," said Mr Lennard.

"Over the past decade, there have been two key demographic areas where the number of riders has increased dramatically - firstly the number of female riders, and secondly in the number of people aged over 50 (both male and female).

"As many of the males over 50 years of age buying motorcycles are people who had ridden in their twenties, the tag returning riders is often applied collectively to this demographic.

"However a substantial number of male riders over 50 and almost all of the women riders are in fact new to motorcycling.

"Women have increasingly turned to motorcycling for both commuting and leisure purposes. It's been anecdotally reported that many women feel safer travelling to and from work by motorcycle than using public transport - literally riding to and from their own residence to the parking area of their place of employment.

"The average age of a learner motorcyclist across is Australia, from the last data I had a year or so ago, was 32.

"Scooter sales in Australia have been an area of significant growth. This has gone from around 600 new scooters a year in the 1990s, to a peak of over 15,000 new scooters three or four years ago, that has levelled now at still over 10,000 new scooters per year."

Quote from: codajastal on March 19, 2013, 11:08:16 PM
AUSTRALIAN FIRST LANE FILTERING TRIAL FOR MOTORCYCLISTS IN THE SYDNEY CBD

MEDIA RELEASE 18 October 2012 AUSTRALIAN FIRST LANE FILTERING TRIAL FOR MOTORCYCLISTS IN THE SYDNEY CBD.The NSW Government will allow motorcyclists to filter through stationary vehicles at CBD intersections to test if the practice improves traffic flow.

Ya doin ya home work Cods.. Yep I read that 

Quote from: codajastal on March 19, 2013, 11:10:01 PM
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/on-your-bike-motorbike-riders-may-be-allowed-to-ride-in-gap-between-cars/story-fndo4eg9-1226476525422



LANE splitting, in which of motorcyclists ride down the gap between lines of stalled traffic, could be legalised and even encouraged to help reduce congestion.
It annoys some motorists and in limited circumstances could be dangerous. But federal MPs in Canberra today were told it was an option that had to be considered.

And Victoria is close to permitting the practice, also known as "filtering".

Shaun Lennard, chairman of the Australian Motorcycle Council and chair the federal Motorcycle Safety Consultative Committee, said laws had to be changed to encourage more users of PTWs - powered two wheels.

"One initiative currently under consideration in Victoria is a trial of legalised filtering - that is, riding between stationery or very slow-moving lines of traffic," Mr Lennard said in a speech to MPs at a Canberra breakfast.

"This is a common practice in the majority of major cities, yet in most cases it is technically illegal.

"It's largely overlooked by police, and it's something that has worked for decades and makes sense. Some European countries have been looking at legitimising filtering."

Mr Lennard said London and Paris were making it easier for cyclists and motorcyclists to use the cities' roads, and that European research had shown traffic congestion could be eased by increasing PTW numbers.

But in Australia, "Last year we had the National Transport Commission release a detailed report on the future of transport in Australia, with all sorts of data and graphs showing changes and trends - a report which failed to make any reference to motorcycling.

"This despite the fact that the number of registered motorcycles had grown by 7 per cent per year for the previous decade."

A Belgian study last year looked at morning peak traffic on a major highway between a satellite city, Leuven, and Brussels.

Detailed modelling calculated that if 10 per cent of the car users had instead been on motorcycles, congestion would have been reduced by around 40 per cent - a major saving for all road users.

Mr Lennard said most Australian governments had not looked at similar policies despite a huge growth in the number of people - particularly women - now regularly riding motorbikes and scooters.

He said there had been "a dramatic increase in the number of motorcycles and scooters on the roads" in the past decade.

"In Australia, the number of registered motorcycles has almost doubled over the past 11 years to around 700,000. That's an annual increase of almost 7 per cent, which compares to an average annual increase in registrations across all vehicle types of around 3 per cent over the same period," said Mr Lennard.

"Over the past decade, there have been two key demographic areas where the number of riders has increased dramatically - firstly the number of female riders, and secondly in the number of people aged over 50 (both male and female).

"As many of the males over 50 years of age buying motorcycles are people who had ridden in their twenties, the tag returning riders is often applied collectively to this demographic.

"However a substantial number of male riders over 50 and almost all of the women riders are in fact new to motorcycling.

"Women have increasingly turned to motorcycling for both commuting and leisure purposes. It's been anecdotally reported that many women feel safer travelling to and from work by motorcycle than using public transport - literally riding to and from their own residence to the parking area of their place of employment.

"The average age of a learner motorcyclist across is Australia, from the last data I had a year or so ago, was 32.

"Scooter sales in Australia have been an area of significant growth. This has gone from around 600 new scooters a year in the 1990s, to a peak of over 15,000 new scooters three or four years ago, that has levelled now at still over 10,000 new scooters per year."

Yep... So we'll just keep on keeping on and do what ever?

I still do it.........................carefully.

Great so now we just hound Campbell and his clowns to do it here in Qld

Quote from: slipperymongoose on March 19, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
Great so now we just hound Campbell and his clowns to do it here in Qld

Yep the puppets... Do what ya like!!! 

Seems legit

Quote from: codajastal on March 19, 2013, 11:02:57 PM
There's actually about 6 things they can get you for....

Passing without indication, passing on the left, not travelling within a designated lane, travelling within 1 metre of another vehicle, umn that's 5.. but they add up.. ask the next bike cop who you see... he'll know.

Can you cite the specific traffic regulations for any/all of those five?  Aside from the indicator one, there is no regulations that I am aware of to support the other issues, well none that I cannot argue against successfully enough using the same traffic regulations to have them quashed.

Quote from: ThatOtherGuy on March 20, 2013, 01:16:24 AM

Quote from: codajastal on March 19, 2013, 11:02:57 PM
There's actually about 6 things they can get you for....

Passing without indication, passing on the left, not travelling within a designated lane, travelling within 1 metre of another vehicle, umn that's 5.. but they add up.. ask the next bike cop who you see... he'll know.

Can you cite the specific traffic regulations for any/all of those five?  Aside from the indicator one, there is no regulations that I am aware of to support the other issues, well none that I cannot argue against successfully enough using the same traffic regulations to have them quashed.

That's it.. There is no law to say you are not allowed to do this.... So GF Jacks!!!