Quote from: ThatOtherGuy on March 20, 2013, 01:16:24 AM

Quote from: codajastal on March 19, 2013, 11:02:57 PM
There's actually about 6 things they can get you for....

Passing without indication, passing on the left, not travelling within a designated lane, travelling within 1 metre of another vehicle, umn that's 5.. but they add up.. ask the next bike cop who you see... he'll know.

Can you cite the specific traffic regulations for any/all of those five?  Aside from the indicator one, there is no regulations that I am aware of to support the other issues, well none that I cannot argue against successfully enough using the same traffic regulations to have them quashed.

sorry i didnt write that. i was quoting someone else

Quote from: codajastal on March 20, 2013, 01:37:37 AM

Quote from: ThatOtherGuy on March 20, 2013, 01:16:24 AM

Quote from: codajastal on March 19, 2013, 11:02:57 PM
There's actually about 6 things they can get you for....

Passing without indication, passing on the left, not travelling within a designated lane, travelling within 1 metre of another vehicle, umn that's 5.. but they add up.. ask the next bike cop who you see... he'll know.

Can you cite the specific traffic regulations for any/all of those five?  Aside from the indicator one, there is no regulations that I am aware of to support the other issues, well none that I cannot argue against successfully enough using the same traffic regulations to have them quashed.

sorry i didnt write that. i was quoting someone else

Your opinion Cods 

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« Reply #15 on: 18, October, 2004, 09:16:43 AM »
There's actually about 6 things they can get you for....

Passing without indication, passing on the left, not travelling within a designated lane, travelling within 1 metre of another vehicle, umn that's 5.. but they add up.. ask the next bike cop who you see... he'll know...
« Last Edit: 01, January, 1970, 10:00:00 AM by Lockers »

My opinion is .....if the cops want to bust you for it they will. if they cannot get you specifically for that they will find something else to get you for.

Just found this though
http://www.bikeraware.com/rr_lane_splitting.htm
Road Rules ~ Lane Splitting


Lane Splitting or Lane Filtering:
"Lane Filtering" is still legal in all states of Australia although there are some technicalities that some police may book a biker for doing this. This may depend on the discretion of the policeman at the time, taking into account the speed you are doing and the other vehicles around you, if you are sharing the same lane as another vehicle which is also moving or passing to the left of a vehicle. If the policeman thinks that you are riding dangerously or recklessly among moving traffic he will most likely book you.

"Lane Splitting" is when a motorcycle travels between other cars in moving traffic. He/she is more likely to be booked for this especially if they are changing lanes without indicating or overtaking in the same lane or to the left of a car.

Quote from: codajastal on March 20, 2013, 01:44:48 AM

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« Reply #15 on: 18, October, 2004, 09:16:43 AM »
There's actually about 6 things they can get you for....

Passing without indication, passing on the left, not travelling within a designated lane, travelling within 1 metre of another vehicle, umn that's 5.. but they add up.. ask the next bike cop who you see... he'll know...
« Last Edit: 01, January, 1970, 10:00:00 AM by Lockers »

My opinion is .....if the cops want to bust you for it they will. if they cannot get you specifically for that they will find something else to get you for.

Course they will.. So we just run with whatever our gut tells us... That really is the law in this case, just do what ya got to do. Face the consequence as they accrue! No biggie really Cods. 

CURRENT QLD ROAD RULES

http://pan.search.qld.gov.au/search/click.cgi?url=http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Motorcycle%20safety/Riders%20Guide/2012%20Guide/Section3Rulesforriders.pdf&rank=1&collection=qld-gov

Lane splitting/filtering
It is dangerous to overtake between two vehicles travelling
side by side-in-the same direction on a multilane road,
irrespective of whether the vehicles are moving (lane splitting)
or stationary(lane filtering). The only exception to this is if the
vehicles travelling side-by-side are motorcycles.
Lane splitting or filtering riders may commit offences, such
as failing to stay within a single marked lane, keeping a safe
distance when overtaking or overtaking to the left of a vehicle.
It is also dangerous when the traffic is congested or stationary
(e.g. peak hour or stopped for traffic lights etc.). The handle
bar only has to clip a car's exterior mirror and the motorcycle
rider will lose control. Drivers can be taken by surprise,
especially when moving, and can make reflex manoeuvres that
result in a crash.

Quote from: codajastal on March 20, 2013, 01:54:11 AM
CURRENT QLD ROAD RULES

http://pan.search.qld.gov.au/search/click.cgi?url=http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Motorcycle%20safety/Riders%20Guide/2012%20Guide/Section3Rulesforriders.pdf&rank=1&collection=qld-gov

Lane splitting/filtering
It is dangerous to overtake between two vehicles travelling
side by side-in-the same direction on a multilane road,
irrespective of whether the vehicles are moving (lane splitting)
or stationary(lane filtering). The only exception to this is if the
vehicles travelling side-by-side are motorcycles.
Lane splitting or filtering riders may commit offences, such
as failing to stay within a single marked lane, keeping a safe
distance when overtaking or overtaking to the left of a vehicle.
It is also dangerous when the traffic is congested or stationary
(e.g. peak hour or stopped for traffic lights etc.). The handle
bar only has to clip a car's exterior mirror and the motorcycle
rider will lose control. Drivers can be taken by surprise,
especially when moving, and can make reflex manoeuvres that
result in a crash.

A bit of common sense and run with your gut Cods.. All good!

Quote from: peterscotts on March 20, 2013, 01:59:11 AM
A bit of common sense and run with your gut Cods.. All good!

Well its not illegal so I say go for it..............................carefully

Quote from: codajastal on March 20, 2013, 02:03:30 AM

Quote from: peterscotts on March 20, 2013, 01:59:11 AM
A bit of common sense and run with your gut Cods.. All good!

Well its not illegal so I say go for it..............................carefully

OK we'll put it to rest... Amen!         

Legal here in Cali.

Haven't had a chance to try it as I'm still developing my riding skills.

Should be legal everywhere. Get enough people and revolt!!!!!

Or get a politician to write something up the next time you vote. Turns out even civilians can submit items to be voted upon.

Firstly... Pete... when did I miss your arrival here? Great to see another local GS Twinner In Brissie somewhere?

I split in certain locations, but only when traffic is stationary. I have certain points in my commute where it's become necessary to avoid missing three changes of traffic lights or more.

My big concern really is being on an air cooled bike in stationary traffic in summer... that will not end well unless I shut the bike off or get some air flow happening.

Here in San Diego, 5 o'clock traffic is a pain, so I filter and lane split all the way home.

After talking with a HWY patrol officer at work, I learned that as long as the police feel that you lane split/filter safely, they don't really care. EXCEPT motorcycle police, who have a hard-on for bugging anyone on the road.

I heard Nevada is in talks of legalizing lane splitting. I hope it happens. The benefits are overwhelming and the dangers are overstated.

Legal here in Belgium, as long as you respect certain obvious rules:
Traffic has to be moving slowly (<50 kph) and the difference in speed between motorcycle and cars can never exceed 20 kph.

In other words: cars standing still: filtering at 20kph.
I do it all the time, though you'll never see me cutting through moving traffic: when speeds near 50kmh your best bet is to just get in line.

Interesting vid on the subject:

I do it when i need to......the occasional car driver take it personally  but i'm not stopping them from getting a bike.

Quote from: fetor56 on March 20, 2013, 03:19:51 PM
I do it when i need to......the occasional car driver take it personally  but i'm not stopping them from getting a bike.

How TRUE! 

Quote from: codajastal on March 20, 2013, 01:54:11 AM
CURRENT QLD ROAD RULES

http://pan.search.qld.gov.au/search/click.cgi?url=http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Motorcycle%20safety/Riders%20Guide/2012%20Guide/Section3Rulesforriders.pdf&rank=1&collection=qld-gov

Lane splitting/filtering
It is dangerous to overtake between two vehicles travelling
side by side-in-the same direction on a multilane road,
irrespective of whether the vehicles are moving (lane splitting)
or stationary(lane filtering). The only exception to this is if the
vehicles travelling side-by-side are motorcycles.
Lane splitting or filtering riders may commit offences, such
as failing to stay within a single marked lane, keeping a safe
distance when overtaking or overtaking to the left of a vehicle.
It is also dangerous when the traffic is congested or stationary
(e.g. peak hour or stopped for traffic lights etc.). The handle
bar only has to clip a car's exterior mirror and the motorcycle
rider will lose control. Drivers can be taken by surprise,
especially when moving, and can make reflex manoeuvres that
result in a crash.

.... So ... I'm reading it as.... drivers should be better trained and pay more attention so they don't 'get taken by surprise' ... Go .... BlehblehAAAARRRRRRGH!!! .. Stomp on the gas and wrench the wheel sideways to avoid getting ass raped by the big bad rider?! ...

Yep .... Better driver awareness training and promotion of calm acceptance!! .... That's sure to catch on!! 

Quote from: W79 on March 20, 2013, 03:01:22 PM
Legal here in Belgium, as long as you respect certain obvious rules:
Traffic has to be moving slowly (<50 kph) and the difference in speed between motorcycle and cars can never exceed 20 kph.

In other words: cars standing still: filtering at 20kph.
I do it all the time, though you'll never see me cutting through moving traffic: when speeds near 50kmh your best bet is to just get in line.

Interesting vid on the subject:

Great video... Thanks for sharing! 

Quote from: codajastal on March 20, 2013, 01:54:11 AM
CURRENT QLD ROAD RULES

http://pan.search.qld.gov.au/search/click.cgi?url=http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Motorcycle%20safety/Riders%20Guide/2012%20Guide/Section3Rulesforriders.pdf&rank=1&collection=qld-gov

Lane splitting/filtering
It is dangerous to overtake between two vehicles travelling
side by side-in-the same direction on a multilane road,
irrespective of whether the vehicles are moving (lane splitting)
or stationary(lane filtering). The only exception to this is if the
vehicles travelling side-by-side are motorcycles.
Lane splitting or filtering riders may commit offences, such
as failing to stay within a single marked lane, keeping a safe
distance when overtaking or overtaking to the left of a vehicle.
It is also dangerous when the traffic is congested or stationary
(e.g. peak hour or stopped for traffic lights etc.). The handle
bar only has to clip a car's exterior mirror and the motorcycle
rider will lose control. Drivers can be taken by surprise,
especially when moving, and can make reflex manoeuvres that
result in a crash.

The only problem with stuff like this is that it is not something you can rely upon, it is a paraphrasing and interpretation of the traffic regulations and often will represent an opinion of the department or the government in power at the time.  The only thing you can rely upon is the actual traffic regulations ie the law.  Refer to Palmer V. Ostrowski for case law that went all the way to the High Court about relying on anything other than law itself.  No information from a website, pamphlet or any other source can be relied upon unless it is a direct quote of the law itself.

That was taken direct from the Qld gov road rules website? I thought that was the law?


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