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05 Overheated and now seized!

Started by Beau, March 21, 2013, 06:57:17 AM

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Beau

So I live in Iowa where it is just plain cold lately. Anyway it was dry last Friday and nice out so I rode to work. I got off work went outside to warm up my bike. Opened the choke up and went inside for a minute. Well I got distracted and 15 minutes later I comeout to a smoking bike. I shut it off and waited for it too cool down. When I went to crank it over I simply got a clicking noise. Hasn't even tried to crank over in a week.

Any suggestions. Uncle said I probably fried a piston ring. He's good with bikes but  he also says it's hard to diagnose without taking it apart and looking at the damage.

jestercinti

See if you can crank by hand by removing the ignition pickup cover.  Best case, a dead battery.  Worse case, a new engine.

Hindsight, but do you have enough oil?
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steezin_and_wheezin

Clicking noise when attempting to start is usually signs of a dead battery. Try giving the battery a charge before pulling the engine apart

Not sure if its even possible to damage the engine from idling with choke on. Back on my first gs, i'd forget to shut choke off on some 20-30 miles rides, worse was a fouled plug.

Edit; damn jester beat me to the battery hunch!

if yer binders ain't squeakin, you ain't tweakin!

Beau

Tried manually cranking it but nothing, it was stuck but i didnt try to hard didnt want to force it.  I tried juming it cause my battery does suck, but still just a clicking.

jestercinti

Take out the plugs, put in gear, and try to move the bike forward.  That will eliminate the compression "resistance".  If it moves without the rear wheel leaving a skid mark, replace battery.

If rear wheel leaves a skid mark and will not move at all in gear, you have a major engine issue and the prognosis in my opinion is not good.  These engines are very sensitive about oil levels due to the types of bearings used.
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weedahoe

I'm going to vote on an oil issue maybe causing a lock up over an overheating issue. I know just because we have the same bike doesn't mean they are all the same, but mine has idled quite a bit and never issues.
2007
K&N Lunchbox
20/62.5/142.5
chromed pegs
R6 shock
89 aluminum knuckle
Lowering links
Bar mirrors w/LEDs
rear LED turns
89 clip ons
Dual Yoshi TRS
Gauge/Indicator LEDs
T- Rex sliders
HID retrofit
GSXR rear sets
Zero Gravity screen
Chrome Katana rims
Bandit hugger
Custom paint
Sonic springs

bombsquad83

Idling with choke on might be around 4k rpm.  Leaving it sitting like that for 15-20 minutes might causes problems I supposed, but I would think that your oil level was probably really low.

jestercinti

Keep the oil level FULL, but not over-full.  Oil and air cool our bikes.  Lack of any of the two (mainly oil) will cause problems.
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wayne242

I would be scared to set my chock and walk off for 15 minutes.

I always check my oil every morning be for taking it out of the garage. I agree with the above, your oil level was probably way low or worse case possibly oil line was kinked some how(or filter clogged more then likely imo).
2006 GS 500 F

ToneZone

I could see the bike consuming a decent amount of oil left to spin at 5k for 15 minutes.

Zethioth

Have you checked the oil after the bike stopped working? If it was empty, then that will figure out what happened. If it was full, then likely something else happened.
2005 GS500F
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oldmech

Quote from: jestercinti on March 21, 2013, 07:47:53 AM
Take out the plugs, put in gear, and try to move the bike forward.  That will eliminate the compression "resistance".  If it moves without the rear wheel leaving a skid mark, replace battery.

If rear wheel leaves a skid mark and will not move at all in gear, you have a major engine issue and the prognosis in my opinion is not good.  These engines are very sensitive about oil levels due to the types of bearings used.

if you do this and it breaks loose you had a soft siezure. air cooled engines need air. if it starts and runs with no racket change the oil since it is now toast. and all you really did was add around 5-10 wear to the cylinders in a short period of time. but still keep an eye on the oil consumption for a bit.

Watevaman

Related question, but is leaving a bike idling @4/5k for 15 minutes really that much more in terms of wear/tear than riding it at those RPMs for that time period? I can imagine it getting hot but hot enough to really mess up something that bad?
Bike: 1990 GS500E (Vance & Hines full system, K&N Lunchbox, BM Clubmaster bars, Katana rear shock, 0.90 Sonic Springs), 2000 ZRX1100 (Kerker slip-on)
Location: Virginia

jestercinti

My guess is that there were issues before this incident. 

Just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back.
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weedahoe

Im assuming those you you who need to choke your bike are up north and in colder climates?

With mine dead cold, I can hit the starter and it will fire up and I can jump on it and ride with no issues. No choke needed for me.
2007
K&N Lunchbox
20/62.5/142.5
chromed pegs
R6 shock
89 aluminum knuckle
Lowering links
Bar mirrors w/LEDs
rear LED turns
89 clip ons
Dual Yoshi TRS
Gauge/Indicator LEDs
T- Rex sliders
HID retrofit
GSXR rear sets
Zero Gravity screen
Chrome Katana rims
Bandit hugger
Custom paint
Sonic springs

jestercinti

Weed, that may work in Valdosta, Tifton, or wherever you live, but up in the midwest, we must use a lot of choke.

I'm sure if I switched to a 22.5 pilot, no need to choke.
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yamahonkawazuki

Quote from: Beau on March 21, 2013, 07:36:33 AM
Tried manually cranking it but nothing, it was stuck but i didnt try to hard didnt want to force it.  I tried juming it cause my battery does suck, but still just a clicking.
try removing plugs, putting her in 6th and see if you can roll it with clutch out
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weedahoe

Quote from: jestercinti on March 22, 2013, 06:38:31 PM
Weed, that may work in Valdosta, Tifton, or wherever you live, but up in the midwest, we must use a lot of choke.

I'm sure if I switched to a 22.5 pilot, no need to choke.

Yeah, thats why I was asking if it were for the persons that live north of us down here. I could never deal with snow and ice  :cookoo:
2007
K&N Lunchbox
20/62.5/142.5
chromed pegs
R6 shock
89 aluminum knuckle
Lowering links
Bar mirrors w/LEDs
rear LED turns
89 clip ons
Dual Yoshi TRS
Gauge/Indicator LEDs
T- Rex sliders
HID retrofit
GSXR rear sets
Zero Gravity screen
Chrome Katana rims
Bandit hugger
Custom paint
Sonic springs

wayne242

Quote from: weedahoe on March 22, 2013, 06:49:10 PM
Quote from: jestercinti on March 22, 2013, 06:38:31 PM
Weed, that may work in Valdosta, Tifton, or wherever you live, but up in the midwest, we must use a lot of choke.

I'm sure if I switched to a 22.5 pilot, no need to choke.

Yeah, thats why I was asking if it were for the persons that live north of us down here. I could never deal with snow and ice  :cookoo:

There calling for rain and snow here in the next few days... Kentucky weather is on the rag.  :bs:
2006 GS 500 F

Beau

First of all just wanted to thank everyone for their time and help. Guess I should go into a little detail about what I have already tested and such.

First thing I did when i heard the clicking was try to jump start it.
Then I tried to push start it(don't really have any experience) neither worked.

Then I tried softly to manually crank it. Nothing. I tried later a bit more umph and it broke lose. After that tried to start it again, still nothing just clicking.

I tested the relay and starter this morning but had to go to work before i could test after the reinstall of the starter. Both seemed to work out of the bike though.

Again thanks everyone for your help.

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