Won't get into the details, but lets just say that my company wants to use apple laptops, and the IT manager is a mac nancy boy along with the owner's son.  They buy macs for employees then they don't work with our windows based network, office documents don't look right on client computers, software does not exist on mac that companies use and demand used.  I end up having to swap out the macs with windows laptops I can buy cheap on the sly.  Very frustrating.  I so hate Apple.  I wish they would just go out of business.

Worst part is they lay off a bunch of people because money is tight, but spend 2k on a POS instead of $500 on a laptop that will actually work.

I, too, have issues with Apple. Their tech support is incredibly less than competent. My iPod took a dump a while back. I went through all of the trouble-shooting steps, and found out it was a corrupt partition in the hard drive (I use a PC, so I didn't have the Apple hard drive fixing software stuff). I told them this. They then proceeded to tell me I'd have to ship it in and pay an arm and a leg to have them DIAGNOSE it. Not fix. I took it to a friend who has a Mac, and he repartitioned the hard drive in about 5 minutes.

I now use Linux.

Rest assured that Steve Jobs is rolling over in his grave now that the company has decided to start releasing "value" products.

Quote from: Kijona on September 04, 2013, 12:40:13 PM
Rest assured that Steve Jobs is rolling over in his grave now that the company has decided to start releasing "value" products.

you mean Ashton Kutcher?   

I think we're talking about Apple not Nikon. LOL

Macs are nics for at home or magazine publishing/photo editing, Ect. But in the real world environment they are no good and thus why so many companies do them use them like they do Win

I've had iPhones and iPads and I've never been impressed with their limited systems. Sure you can get around a bunch of the crop but why limit it to begin with.

I remember when Apple cried to Congress that jailbreaking was a National Security threat and should be made illegal and that even though YOU bought that $600 PoS that it technically still belonged to Apple.

BIOTCH! Is you crazy?

Quote from: Kijona on September 04, 2013, 01:12:08 PM
I think we're talking about Apple not Nikon. LOL

Twas a stab at the movie they made about steve jobs with ashton kutcher playing jobs.

i laught at those people who dont spend 5 minutes reading of what you CANT do on an Apple..all the things you can do arent practical or needed...Facebooking?Pinterest?..but people in general arent inclined to be knowledgeable. They just want convenience. I gave away a Ipad i won and my dad has dust on it. I have yet to find a use for it compared to my desktop.

I have 4 desktop PCs & 3 laptops running XP / Win7 at home, and a tablet running Android 4 - no issues at all so far with Windows 7 - easy to administer here at work with a decent server (about 80 PCs). Thankfully my company is run by accountants, so 95% is PC, and the rest is Blackberry and Iphones (execs) and a few Ipads (marketing).

I have to agree that it infuriates me to see people squander money on essentially the same x86 hardware (or crippled in terms of Apple Mobes and Tablets with their pathetic memory options vs price).  My wife works for a design firm where they use Apple since the owner is young (sponsered by rich parents) and thinks "Apple is what you have to use if you do design" - buggy software and patches seem to be inconsistent between similar age Apple OS's - she hates having to reboot about 5 times a day... and she is using software designed for Apple (it runs rock solid on my home PCs)

This mentality stems from exceedingly careful marketing - you look for product placement in movies and on TV.  Especially kids television.. very subversive - but we are now stuck with the image that the PC is not cool and too hard to use, so why bother.. easier not to have to think too hard (and totally fine if you view the device as an appliance).

What really annoys me has been the targeting of schools here by discounting heaviliy so they get a suite of Macs in there and get people into "using" rather than understanding how a PC or device actually works.  I don't mind adults choosing between PC or mac, and I understand that a totally locked down Apple device is easier to administer than PC - the end result is these students get into the real world where PC is king at the tasks it is tailored for and have no clue about what it is capable of. Thankfully there was a strong show of support of Android based devices being more affordable, but some schools here have mandated Apple devices which is plain stupid, but appears to be schools in higher income areas.

Its a no brainer anyway... games just work on my PC.. 

School discounting started in the early Apple-IIc days. Brainwash the kids.

Apple people are like a cult. "It is great. It is GOD. Everything else is crap - why? Well, don't you know?"

Early days of CP/M .vs. Apple. The A-hole guy bragged about how the apple has all these disk repair utilities and that CP/M didn't have them. My response? "CP/M doesn't have them because it doesn't need them."

Here I am about to buy a MacBook Pro for video editing and replacing my outdated pc

Nothing really wrong with a Mac Book pro - except you have to buy a new one to replace the battery..

Would be more than acceptable for video editing however.. and I do have to admit they have decent screens on them.

That being said - how does the price compare for a i7 vs Mac Book in your neck of the woods? I could get a high spec lappy here for the price of a mid range Mac Book

Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 04, 2013, 04:42:52 PM
Here I am about to buy a MacBook Pro for video editing and replacing my outdated pc

Vegas Video on a PC beats anything on a MAC.
PC's you can stack up a bunch of monitors, too. I use 3 on most of my computers. 2 is the minimum. Sometimes 4. Real easy to add monitors.

I am truly baffled that people still believe that macs are somehow superior for video editing.  I hate to say, but software for pc's is every bit as good now.  True Final cut is a mac only product, but there are competent competitors for PC.

...and last time I had to render videos on a imac it took forever.  I ended up going to a PC, installing software and rendering the video on it before the mac was close to done.  There have been a number of jobs where I would have to convert videos.  When you have a bunch of 2 hour videos, speed is a factor.  Apple loses miserably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Ah yes.. we cheat here at work for renders - we have a Dell PowerEdge R820 archive server that is awesome for carrying out renders..

4 x Intel Xeon E5-4600 CPUs (64 bit 8 core 2.6Ghz with 20M cache), 64Gb of RAM and about 16TB of SAS-15k drives..

overkill... but you can render at warp speeds...

Quote from: Kiwingenuity on September 04, 2013, 06:28:05 PM
Ah yes.. we cheat here at work for renders - we have a Dell PowerEdge R820 archive server that is awesome for carrying out renders..

4 x Intel Xeon E5-4600 CPUs (64 bit 8 core 2.6Ghz with 20M cache), 64Gb of RAM and about 16TB of SAS-15k drives..

overkill... but you can render at warp speeds...

You understand.  When rendering many hours of videos you grab what is good and fast and use it.

Maybe Im behind on video editing s/w and such. I dont do near as much computer work as i used to and I try not to let anyone know I do anything at all or else they wanna call me with stupid questions or work on their PoS for them. It doesnt pay bills so I dont have time for it. I can build and do my own but thats my limit these days

Quote from: weedahoe on September 04, 2013, 06:55:58 PM
Maybe Im behind on video editing s/w and such. I dont do near as much computer work as i used to and I try not to let anyone know I do anything at all or else they wanna call me with stupid questions or work on their PoS for them. It doesnt pay bills so I dont have time for it. I can build and do my own but thats my limit these days

I have always been good with computers. People would do what you had happen, call and ask questions, want me to help fix their garbage...etc.  About 15 years ago a friend pissed me off by asking my opinion, doing exactly what I said not to do, then begging me to fix it.  I did and made a vow I would never work on a home computer again... I haven't.  People ask my wife if I can help them all the time, and she said it is "my policy" not to work on other people's stuff.

The funny thing is I have fallen a bit behind on technology because I don't build my own computers any longer, but I am much better at cleaning spyware, and fixing OS related issues.

My current home build is more than adequate for rendering - and realistically anything modern, 64 bit and half decent clock rate is going to be just fine.  I hardly do much editing myself, am currently using Pinnacle software for video editing and either Handbrake or EMCsoft media converter for transcoding.

Think I just spent about $500 upgrading my main PC to an AMD FX-8320 (8 core 64 bit 3Ghz CPU) and second hand Geforce 560 video card - theres some software out there which can use the GPU for rendering as well, but I havent delved too deep into it. Compared the pain and suffering of encoding video 10 years ago, most decent software will do batch jobs and in much shorter times.