Quote from: The Buddha on September 26, 2013, 11:28:46 AM

Quote from: john on September 26, 2013, 11:17:16 AM

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on September 26, 2013, 09:23:38 AM
Accident forensics can measure the skidmarks from the moto and give a pretty good idea of vehicle speeds

Unreliable at best.  Speeds always overstated.  In this case the police assumed or a witness said the truck pulled out recklessly.  This case is a slam dunk.  Maybe 25 or 30 might be too fast for conditions, but for the truck's abrupt movement there would be no accident.

My .02

Right of way violations trump speed violations. The speed doesn't matter.
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Buddha.

Aye. moto had the right of way. it was in traffic. judging by picture not against a light. looked like truck left parking lot as OP said. open/closed case it seems to me

Also no violations were incurred on the truck driver.. i'm glad you guys read the artical..

Insurance is sending out the adjuster in a few days to look at my motorcycle.

How do they work out the amount of money they give to the person or repair stuff?

Also note: yesterday I felt not as sore- today everything came back.. intense pain in my shoulder leading to the left side of my neck with every full deep intake of air.

All in all..it could have been worse but damn does it hurt.

Quote from: BassWoW on September 26, 2013, 01:01:45 PM
Also no violations were incurred on the truck driver.. i'm glad you guys read the artical..

Insurance is sending out the adjuster in a few days to look at my motorcycle.

How do they work out the amount of money they give to the person or repair stuff?

Also note: yesterday I felt not as sore- today everything came back.. intense pain in my shoulder leading to the left side of my neck with every full deep intake of air.

All in all..it could have been worse but damn does it hurt.

Been there. takes time to "get over it" sucks. and aint no way to make it easier. afaik the values assigned, best recommendation is, get 3 appraisals from stealerships lol. also book value etc. maybe inquire about ( i think its called ) diminished value. basically once its been involved in an accident, it kinda can hurt its KBB

Quote from: BassWoW on September 26, 2013, 01:01:45 PM
Also no violations were incurred on the truck driver.. i'm glad you guys read the artical..

What ? So he wasn't @ fault ? You're probably going to get screwed in that case.

Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: The Buddha on September 26, 2013, 03:13:21 PM

Quote from: BassWoW on September 26, 2013, 01:01:45 PM
Also no violations were incurred on the truck driver.. i'm glad you guys read the artical..

What ? So he wasn't @ fault ? You're probably going to get screwed in that case.

Cool.
Buddha.

he was at fault- i had the right away. traffic on the other lane was backed up and he saw that. he chose to pull up block my entire lane and wait for an opening.

Quote from: BassWoW on September 26, 2013, 04:59:08 PM

Quote from: The Buddha on September 26, 2013, 03:13:21 PM

Quote from: BassWoW on September 26, 2013, 01:01:45 PM
Also no violations were incurred on the truck driver.. i'm glad you guys read the artical..

What ? So he wasn't @ fault ? You're probably going to get screwed in that case.

Cool.
Buddha.

he was at fault- i had the right away. traffic on the other lane was backed up and he saw that. he chose to pull up block my entire lane and wait for an opening.

What does the ticket say ?

Sometimes cops are too lazy ... they scratch ups some crap and toss it @ you and leave.
One time they took 2 hours to show up, and since it was a very minor fender - non-bender even though I was @ fault, the other guy called the cops and it was kinda hard to determine fault anyway, and the cops talked to em a minute and let me go, and I later found out they wrote him up for making a frivolous call, and a no fault in the accident.

The cops had to have written that he was at fault on the ticket. Else you'll have a very hard time.

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Buddha.

Quote from: gsJack on September 26, 2013, 06:20:00 AM
And bryan88, who would administer such competency tests, young people with a chip on their shoulders like you?  One should at least get all the facts before jumping to a conclusion about who's at fault in an accident like this, important things like how fast was the bike travelling down that congested city street.  Bet the cop was wondering that too.

Flack requested, flack delivered. 

Thanks for the intelligent thoughts on the subject yamahonkawazuki.

Flack accepted

With regard to testing, just a simple eyesight and reflex test set against accepted standards, no bias or prejudice involved. I am the first to accept that generally young people have more accidents than older drivers and that the experience and more mature attitudes of older people makes them much safer drivers. In my town we recently had a horrific accident where a 23yr old driving a heavy articulated truck went through an intersection killing 23 people, and everybody is asking what such a young person was doing driving long distance in a big rig. I accept that age is a sensitive issue ( I'm 43 BTW, so don't really qualify as "young people") and that everybody/case is different, but for general purposes I do think there comes an age where drivers need to be monitored more closely.

"... like how fast was the bike travelling down that congested city street.  Bet the cop was wondering that too." Are you not falling victim to that very same prejudice (seeing as it was a young guy, riding a motorcycle, he was obviously going too fast)?

Lastly, I'm surprised that the driver wasn't asked to step out of the vehicle. I don't know what it would/could prove (or disprove if you think I am jumping to conclusions), I just find it strange.

Here in New South Wales, Australia, drivers aged 80 and over need to pass a yearly driving test. I too agree younger drivers are involved in more crashes, statistics show that. However there does come a point where eyesight, hearing and reflexes do deteriorate which can be dangerous and there needs to be some sort of testing to make sure that isn't a safety issue on the road I think.

Quote from: BassWoW on September 26, 2013, 04:59:08 PM

Quote from: The Buddha on September 26, 2013, 03:13:21 PM

Quote from: BassWoW on September 26, 2013, 01:01:45 PM
Also no violations were incurred on the truck driver.. i'm glad you guys read the artical..

What ? So he wasn't @ fault ? You're probably going to get screwed in that case.

Cool.
Buddha.

he was at fault- i had the right away. traffic on the other lane was backed up and he saw that. he chose to pull up block my entire lane and wait for an opening.

Sounds like they faulted him, but it wasnt considered a moving violation. aka no points on license. but has to pay up

I was not suggesting that BassWoW was actually riding too fast, just used it as an example of a possible fact that we did not know when bryan88 suggested that older drivers should have competency tests.  My apologies to BassWoW if this was misunderstood. 

bryan88 and Zookmang, I remain opposed to any kind of retesting of drivers because of age.  I've always felt that any type of retesting should apply to all drivers of all ages equally regardless of age like yamahonkawazuki suggested in his post.  When the letters to the editors flow in after the news of an accident involving an elderly driver demand retesting of older drivers I usually post a suggestion that since stats show drivers in the 15-25 age group still have the most accidents that raising the age to start driving to 25 would do more to promote safety than getting the old folks off the road would.  Not going to happen of course.

Zookmang, there does come a point where eyesight, hearing and reflexes  deteriorate but this varies greatly between individuals.  Here in the state of Ohio all ages must appear in person to renew their driver licenses and take an eye test and they can at least see we are warm and breathing when we appear and judge our hearing by whether we can hear them speaking.  I checked once some years ago and found that you could renew your license in the states of Florida and Arizona by mail, states where many elderly retire to.  That needs to change for everybody if it hasn't already.

Heck when i lived in AZ in 2001 my DL didnt expire until my 65th birthday lol. between 27 and 65 left alot of time for things to happen.

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 08:39:09 AM
Heck when i lived in AZ in 2001 my DL didnt expire until my 65th birthday lol. between 27 and 65 left alot of time for things to happen.

You lived in AZ ? I didn't know that, how you like that place ?
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Buddha.

Probably sucked... being as how that's John's home state... 

- Bboy

Quote from: The Buddha on September 27, 2013, 12:39:35 PM

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 08:39:09 AM
Heck when i lived in AZ in 2001 my DL didnt expire until my 65th birthday lol. between 27 and 65 left alot of time for things to happen.

You lived in AZ ? I didn't know that, how you like that place ?
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Buddha.

I was on bell rd mostly. ( deer valley later on) anyhoo, the tweakers ruined it for me. ( meth heads) stole alot of what i hold precious. weatherwise, sucked at first. bought shoes once a month ( spring and summer) ended up using goodwill lol. december, 75f day 31f at night alot of times. and the occasional hajoob lol. but fwiw, did like it

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 12:45:47 PM
anyhoo, the tweakers ruined it for me. ( meth heads) stole alot of what i hold precious.

Must have really sucked being that close to John...



- Bboy

Quote from: BockinBboy on September 27, 2013, 12:47:39 PM

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 12:45:47 PM
anyhoo, the tweakers ruined it for me. ( meth heads) stole alot of what i hold precious.

Must have really sucked being that close to John...



- Bboy

LOL IIRC i came back here in 2001, and john and the hidden wife, went out that was a few years later? afaik i signed up here jun '03, was sometime after that.

Yea John was an MA resident, and I think I may have been in MA the same time he was ... I was there 1995 spring.
But summer I moved to CA, John went there 5-6 yrs ago. I moved to NC in 2002.

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Buddha.

Quote from: The Buddha on September 27, 2013, 01:22:40 PM
Yea John was an MA resident, and I think I may have been in MA the same time he was ... I was there 1995 spring.
But summer I moved to CA, John went there 5-6 yrs ago. I moved to NC in 2002.

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Buddha.

thats what it was. was wanting to say 05 or 06 perhaps

I currently live in AZ. Been here since 95. I kinda hate the weather, but oh well. Wife and kids are from here so no moving in my future. Its kinda weird that the "riding season" here is opposite of the rest of the country, although most of the hard core riders around here believe there's a year-round riding season.  (I have ridden year-round, but 110+ F is a biscuit to ride in).

I had one guy who had to be pushing 95 back into my car in a parking lot. He trapped my rear wheel so I couldn't move.  I was blaring my horn and he kept backing up.  My wife finally had to get out of the car and pound on his window to get him to stop. When he did finally, he rolled down the window and asked, "did I hit something?"  I think that's beyond the time someone should stop driving. I don't think age should be the deciding factor, though. I had a friend who rode his Gold Wing from Atlanta to Anchorage and back, stopping at Sturgis on the way back, for his 80th birthday!

As far as people pulling out and blocking your lane waiting to get into the opposite lane, I hate when people do that!!  People do that here all the time. That, and turning left into the "suicide lane", the middle turn lane.  Can't tell you how many times I've almost been hit or hit someone who has done that at the same time I get into that lane to actually turn left - which is what the lane is for.  Pisses me off something fierce.

Quote from: The Buddha on September 26, 2013, 05:49:18 PM

Quote from: BassWoW on September 26, 2013, 04:59:08 PM

Quote from: The Buddha on September 26, 2013, 03:13:21 PM

Quote from: BassWoW on September 26, 2013, 01:01:45 PM
Also no violations were incurred on the truck driver.. i'm glad you guys read the artical..

What ? So he wasn't @ fault ? You're probably going to get screwed in that case.

Cool.
Buddha.

he was at fault- i had the right away. traffic on the other lane was backed up and he saw that. he chose to pull up block my entire lane and wait for an opening.

What does the ticket say ?

Sometimes cops are too lazy ... they scratch ups some crap and toss it @ you and leave.
One time they took 2 hours to show up, and since it was a very minor fender - non-bender even though I was @ fault, the other guy called the cops and it was kinda hard to determine fault anyway, and the cops talked to em a minute and let me go, and I later found out they wrote him up for making a frivolous call, and a no fault in the accident.

The cops had to have written that he was at fault on the ticket. Else you'll have a very hard time.

Cool.
Buddha.

The guy didn't get a ticket. No violations cited but I asked who was at fault today.

The cop came back to say they state the facts in the accident report and the insurance deems who is at fault.

Ins't that crap!?