It is a very commonly repeated myth. I like to debunk the negativity surrounding pits, because they really are great dogs. The fact that they get banned from entire cities due to completely unfounded fear is awful. I've seen too many of my good friends give up their awesome dogs when moving to a new place because the dogs slightly resemble a pit mix. It's just fear mongering with absolutely no factual backing.

Quote from: codajastal on October 16, 2013, 11:12:48 PM
http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/truth-about-pit-bulls

Pit Bull Myths

There are numerous myths circulating about pit bulls, some invented by people who are afraid of the breed and others disseminated by well-meaning pit bull advocates. A few of the most common myths follow:

Blah blah blah ... the Tazmanian devil is just a pit bull on steroids.

I am not picking on you coda - but the Taz in your avatar yes that is getting it.

Cool.
Buddha.

Well, if your dog attacks me or anyone else related to me it will be the very last thing it ever does and I don't give a rat's ass why it was provoked or being protective. Unless it was being obviously threatened ~ and that means obvious to anyone, not just people who 'should' know ~ a dog in a public area that threatens harm needs to be banned from public areas and a dog in a public area that causes harm needs to be eliminated.

I think whoever here said dogs learn this behavior from owners is wrong. I thinks that's bunk, they already own this behavior. I do however think they can be trained to do it on demand. Dog's go after things because something triggers their primal instinct to hunt/chase. Take a pack of wolves for example. They don't have any human influence yet let a rabbit pop up out of a bush and see what happens. The German Sheppard/Collie mix I had as a kid would hunt all day long. She was not hungry, or aggressive but would pounce on any little furry critter that caught it's eye. Many times she would bring me a dead critter as a "gift". Cats will do the same if left to their own devices.

The attack in the video was pure instinct. The owner never saw it coming. NO dog can be trusted or predictable 100% of the time. Every dog, even the most well trained dog, can and will "lose it"  at some point.....it could be a minor nip or something more serious (queues little old lady, "oh my he's never done that before").

Quote from: RossLH on October 16, 2013, 02:09:52 PM

Quote from: Kijona on October 16, 2013, 02:03:50 PMHowever, what exactly would YOU have done in this situation?

I'd subdue the dog and remove it from the area.

(And before anyone tries to say I can't subdue a little pit, I've wrestled down some much bigger dogs that were pretty unhappy to see me. I wouldn't have any problem with a pit.)

So you're going to get yourself between a scratching/biting cat and a biting/scratching dog and get your arms/face all torn up in the process?

The only possible thing I could see is physically separating the animals with your leg/foot or some object then picking up the dog.

hrrrm .. subduing a pair of fighting animals .. whichever type... by getting in the middle?... tricky!...certainly possible... but tricky... 

think proactive control is the better option to start with...

why put an ambulance station at the bottom of a cliff to patch people up... when you can have a nice secure fence or barricade up at the lookout on top of the cliff so the dopey buggers dont fall/slip off in the first place? 

of course you always gonna get the thrillseekers that just HAVE to hang their asses out in the breeze .. thats where Darwin comes into effect 

Quote from: Kijona on October 17, 2013, 01:54:37 PMSo you're going to get yourself between a scratching/biting cat and a biting/scratching dog and get your arms/face all torn up in the process?

The only possible thing I could see is physically separating the animals with your leg/foot or some object then picking up the dog.

I'd only be worried about getting scratched by the cat in that situation. I know how to handle dogs, not so much cats.

That said, I'm not going to dive in face first. I'd probably get some scratches on my arms, but that'll buff right out.

that'll buff right out...  ..

gold!

I live in a strict liability state.  That means of my dog bites a person for ANY reason I am liable. 

That means children are not allowed in our dog parks (and when people bring their kids I call the cops).  Ya I am a bastard that way.

I keep my dog under strict control.  He is socialized but is leery of strangers.  I keep him under strict guard and a short leash.

People that own dogs and don't control them strictly are the same people that have unruly kids and screwed up lives.

good call there John... 

.. what if you bite someone?... does the dog get busted for an unruly owner? 

Quote from: Janx101 on October 17, 2013, 09:24:33 PM
good call there John... 

.. what if you bite someone?... does the dog get busted for an unruly owner? 

hahahaha lmfao


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Well said, John.

Every time you hear of a dog bite, mauling or facial eat-off by a dog, the owner always says "But he's such a sweet doggie. He would never do anything like that", while the records show a dozen complaints for a dangerous, vicious dog.

We had a shooting in at a dog park here about a year ago. Off duty cop at a dog park walking his leashed dog when another off-leash dog ran over and attacked his dog. He yelled for owner to control the dog (that failed). So, he shot the other dog dead .

The media made him out to be a viscous murderer that should be hung for protecting his dog. They blamed him for having his dog on a leash even though it's the law. They said the attack would not have happened had his dog been able to run away.

Quote from: john on October 17, 2013, 08:37:09 PMPeople that own dogs and don't control them strictly are the same people that have unruly kids and screwed up lives.

And these are the very people who need to not own pit bulls.

Quote from: RossLH on October 18, 2013, 06:43:00 AM

Quote from: john on October 17, 2013, 08:37:09 PMPeople that own dogs and don't control them strictly are the same people that have unruly kids and screwed up lives.

And these are the very people who need to not own pit bulls.

Amen!  And sadly often they are the ones that own them...

Quote from: john on October 18, 2013, 12:13:37 PM

Quote from: RossLH on October 18, 2013, 06:43:00 AM

Quote from: john on October 17, 2013, 08:37:09 PMPeople that own dogs and don't control them strictly are the same people that have unruly kids and screwed up lives.

And these are the very people who need to not own pit bulls.

Amen!  And sadly often they are the ones that own them...

And the ones that say " lil be damned she/he never has done that before" they are VERY strong bodywise. if youre going to own one, be able to control it. walk it. try not to let it walk you

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 18, 2013, 01:16:31 PM
be able to control it. walk it. try not to let it walk you

as the Great Sage known as Yoda said...

"try not ... DO or DO NOT .. there is no try!" 

Out loud , i do laugh. if a pit attacks or shows aggression, or any dog for that matter. it wlil go Tango Uniformaka tîts up. blasted or euthanized. its a liability at that point. last thing i need is to be sued again lol. 

I used to cut this guy's lawn that had this massive German Shepherd. It was the most threatening and aggressive dog I've ever seen. You couldn't get anywhere near it because it would try to bite at you, even through the fence. The owner always said things like "oh he's really friendly he's just playing" - bullshit. The dog was not wagging its tail, was not bouncing around happy, no...he was growling and barking threateningly.

What sucked was the dog stayed in a part of the yard that you had to walk through to get to the back yard. There was no other way back there and if the owner wasn't home I damn sure wasn't about to try to open the gate with the dog trying to bite my hand. Then the owner would Buddha Loves You about the back yard not being done. Needless to say I don't have that account any longer.