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Started by zephyr_bike, December 20, 2013, 04:15:06 PM

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zephyr_bike

Alright I need to get a different manual or learn how to read because I don't see these guys on it either. They must not be important :D

2006 GS500F.

Where do these go?
Red 1
Blue 2
Orange 3


zephyr_bike

I guess they are really not too important at all because the bike just ran for 15 minutes, hah. Would still like to know though.

dinkydonuts

I think some of those are your PAIR system, which if you search for on these forums, seems to be ditched by most owners, unless you live in California and are required to get inspections.

The large red box is the evap can, which all bikes have, and it just contains some activated carbon(?) for storing emissions gases until they can be sucked back into the engine and burnt.


I have no idea what the other boxes are trying to pinpoint to.

sledge


sledge

Quote from: dinkydonuts on December 20, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
I think some of those are your PAIR system, which if you search for on these forums, seems to be ditched by most owners.

I always thought this was illegal in the USA  :dunno_black:

zephyr_bike

It does, thanks. Looks like orange 3 is the fuel vacuum connection. I put the bike back together this morning and the it died after idling for a bit probably because of that. I couldn't get it restarted on prime though, which I thought bypassed the vacuum. Oh well, back to it.

dinkydonuts

Quote from: sledge on December 21, 2013, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: dinkydonuts on December 20, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
I think some of those are your PAIR system, which if you search for on these forums, seems to be ditched by most owners.

I always thought this was illegal in the USA  :dunno_black:

Each state has its own policy on vehicle inspections/emissions check.

Here in Oklahoma, they ditched state-mandated inspections in the early 2000s. You'll hear arguments on both sides as to whether or not it is a good idea. Of course, the garages and shops will claim it was the worst decision ever, but they had a lot to gain from having mandatory business traffic.

Our brother to the south, Texas, still requires state inspections.

So, I could probably ditch ALL of the emissions related parts on my GS and I'd be fine as long as I didn't move to a inspection state.

sledge

So what does this mean??

""We are not changing existing
provisions of section 203(a) of the Clean Air Act, as established in
1977, which states that it is illegal "for any person to remove or render
inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title...after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser...". In
other words, owners of motor vehicles cannot legally make modifications
that cause the emissions to exceed the applicable emissions standards,
and they cannot remove or disable emission control devices
installed by the manufacturer""

From here..... http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03045.pdf

I am always curious to know what laws apply in other countries.

dinkydonuts

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Quote from: sledge on December 22, 2013, 02:47:01 AM
So what does this mean??

""We are not changing existing
provisions of section 203(a) of the Clean Air Act, as established in
1977, which states that it is illegal "for any person to remove or render
inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title...after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser...". In
other words, owners of motor vehicles cannot legally make modifications
that cause the emissions to exceed the applicable emissions standards,
and they cannot remove or disable emission control devices
installed by the manufacturer""

From here..... http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03045.pdf

I am always curious to know what laws apply in other countries.


Nothing, to be honest.

I'm no lawyer, nor do I have any intent to willfully break any law, but there are certain laws where a crime is only charged upon a primary offense already committed.

In other words, if I lived in a inspection state, let's say I failed inspection and continued to ride the bike on public roads. Since I failed inspection, I would not have a legally registered vehicle. If I were pulled over by a police officer for operating an unregistered vehicle, I could be charged additionally at the time for removing emissions equipment from the bike (if they did a further inspection).

Simply removing emissions devices from a vehicle, though, is not likely to be a chargeable offense in itself. There are many high performance car owners who delete their catalytic converters and do EGR and PCV deletes and have no issues.

(The above are all fictional scenarios and I have not personally committed any of the above acts.)

iclrag

Quote from: sledge on December 21, 2013, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: dinkydonuts on December 20, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
I think some of those are your PAIR system, which if you search for on these forums, seems to be ditched by most owners.

I always thought this was illegal in the USA  :dunno_black:
It is, but when was the last time you heard of a bike being checked for smog? in oregon as long as you pass DEQ nobody cares, but since motorcycles are DEQ exempt (we can even use the diamond lane with 1 person and not get ticketed) we get away with whatever we want. I still have mine setup, but only because i have no reason to remove it (plus my family is a bunch of hippies and thought it was the coolest thing ever like i just saved the environment on my own by doing that :icon_mrgreen: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:)

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