Quote from: Badot on March 04, 2014, 12:24:21 PM
I'm surprised that's not banned by the ATF... honestly it may only be a matter of time. As soon as this type of system goes mainstream there's no way in **** it'll stay legal.

Which is kinda unfortunate given that everyone who has some vague idea of how mechanical things work can make a full auto trigger.

The trigger is 100% semi auto.  It's not even bump-fire assisting system like a slide-fire stock.

Quoted from Tac-Con "The 3MR is a drop-in 3-mode fire control system with Safe, Semi-Automatic, and Tac-Con™'s patented 3rd Mode.  The 3rd mode has a positive reset that dramatically reduces the split times between shots. The positive reset characteristic is achieved by transferring the force from the bolt carrier through the trigger assembly to assist the trigger back onto the front sear. As a result, this gives the firearm the fastest reset possible. Both semi and 3rd mode positions exhibit a non-adjustable 4.5 pound trigger pull weight."

From the sound of it, something physically pushes the trigger forward against your finger making the reset happen faster than you can release it.  In this way, if you maintain a consistent pull the trigger will continue to trip, reset, trip, reset, etc while your finger stays in contact with it.
If you are familiar with Tippmann paintball products, this is the same concept as the "response trigger".

Say pull weight is 4.5lbs and reset force is 5.5lbs.  You pull at 5lbs and it will cycle continuously.



It would take a very practiced hand to get any good at manipulating it, and it is a cool idea.  A touch on the expensive side, though.

Quote from: Watcher on March 04, 2014, 07:36:08 PM
From the sound of it, something physically pushes the trigger forward against your finger making the reset happen faster than you can release it.  In this way, if you maintain a consistent pull the trigger will continue to trip, reset, trip, reset, etc while your finger stays in contact with it.

This is what I assumed was the case. Studying the pictures...  in the 3rd selector position, it props that little lever in the back up by pushing downwards on the very rear. When the hammer is cocked the overtravel/inertia of it when it impacts the lever pushes the trigger back forward.

Realistically, whether it puts 1/4 lb or 100 lbs force into resetting the trigger it still operates of the same function. I'd call it full auto, though if the ATF decides it's not, I think I'm going to build myself a few new toys.

finished up my lower over the weekend

put a small scratch in the receiver when putting in the bolt catch pin... will get touched up soon.

Quote from: Roxtar on March 05, 2014, 01:45:59 PM
put a small scratch in the receiver when putting in the bolt catch pin... will get touched up soon.

It's just gonna get more scratches later, I wouldn't bother.

ARs look best when they have "scars" 

Quote from: Watcher on March 05, 2014, 07:09:18 PM

Quote from: Roxtar on March 05, 2014, 01:45:59 PM
put a small scratch in the receiver when putting in the bolt catch pin... will get touched up soon.

It's just gonna get more scratches later, I wouldn't bother.

ARs look best when they have "scars" 

agreed. Lookin good though roxtar. Use and abuse! scratches, scuffs, and wear marks add character  "Gear Queers" are the only one's who give a d*mn about scratches.

Talk about dumb people.....

http://bearingarms.com/school-security-officer-calls-bomb-squad-over-three-expended-bullets/

The only time I disagree with freedom of speech is when people act as an expert on things they know nothing about, especially when it brings peoples' rights into question.

Wow! ... that's an awesome display of stupid in that story! ...
Can we organise for someone to send me a couple of those 20mm training slugs?

sent by willpower and a phone

Geeze.... bloke would go nuts walking around hickok45's shooting area. He don't have illegal gravel... unless it's buried under three feet of spent shells...

I see your 20mm training slug and raise you one inert 155mm Howitzer medium artillery projectile 




Actually, I think that's a 75mm projectile.  Haven't measured it yet, but it's definitely not a 155mm.  Still pretty bad-ass, though.

New pistol powder, the only one around is called "unobtainable". An improved version of "NotBackorderable".
Even .22's are now floating around 20 cents each.
9mm is under 30 cents for some odd reason. But 380 acp 40 cents and up.
Colt 45's 50 cents? Hollow point colt's 60 cents? WTF?
Ammo prices are all topsey turvey.
45 colt brass non existent.
What's a person to do?

Shoot com block weapons

I recently started shooting non corrosive 7.62x54r... I walked out of the store with reloading dies, a pound of powder, and 100 bullets and primers (I already have some casings).

Kicker is, it cost less than 100 rounds of factory ammo would have cost me 

Quote from: adidasguy on March 17, 2014, 05:00:35 PM
New pistol powder, the only one around is called "unobtainable". An improved version of "NotBackorderable".
Even .22's are now floating around 20 cents each.
9mm is under 30 cents for some odd reason. But 380 acp 40 cents and up.
Colt 45's 50 cents? Hollow point colt's 60 cents? WTF?
Ammo prices are all topsey turvey.
45 colt brass non existent.
What's a person to do?

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Black-Powder





then...

this


or this!!

Bought 7.62X54R for 8 cents a round, had 3500 rounds at one time, now down to less than 600, sold many of them for 400% more than I paid. Pull  the bullets and powder load them up in Brass cases, boxer primed and non corrosive.
A good friend passed 4 years ago this summer. Helped his widow sell his 390 (not a misprint) gun collection. Took a while but netted her close to $140K.
She gave me some of his ammo hoard, a few thousand rounds of .22 (lots of RWS match grade) and 3 cans of CMP .308 for my 140k serial number Garand (pre Pear Harbor) reciever that was built into a match rifle with a Douglas barrel. Easy MOA rifle except for my sucky old eyes.
I still have my Model 52 Winchester with a 12 power Lyman super target spot for the 22. Scopes help crappy old eyes.
Also bought a RWS model 5, sold under Beeman name for $80 at an auction. You want to shoot cheap, shoot pellets.
Posted before but my carry gun is one of the last H&K P7 (PSP) West German police issue. Best 9mm ever made, will even fire and cycle a .380. Super accurate gun, fun to pick off skeet at 50 years, but that was 30 years ago.
In 1971 at a show in Richmond Va. I saw a Confederate Whitworth (hexagonal bore) sniper rifle, one of 138 that got through the Federal blockade. Even that long ago it was $25K which at the time would buy you a nice house Today it would be a million dollar gun.

regards
Mech

  Range was closed tonight. (the Rodger Dahl range - google it - you'd be surprised where it is located).
Seems in the immense downpour yesterday the electrical vault flooded and took out power.

I owned a .17HMR - Savage 93R17 BTVS like this:


(but in .17HMR of course)

I'll tell you...if you want to shoot it a lot, plan on cleaning the barrel...a lot. I saw a dramatic decrease in accuracy after the first 25rds. Once I cleaned the barrel, it went back to where it was originally. The problem is that the round is very high velocity and the rifling is so small that it gets clogged with the copper from the jacket in short order. Normal solvent and brushing won't do it either, you have to use copper solvent to get it out. Still more, you have to have a special cleaning kit just for that gun. Standard cleaning rods won't fit into the barrel. On top of that, the barrel seemed to destroy the brushes quite quickly, I guess it was because they were so small. If that's not enough, the tolerances are such that it's extremely easy to damage the barrel - especially the crown.

TL;DR: It's high maintenance. The gun has to be cleaned with specific tools/chemicals at a very short interval to maintain accuracy.

my dad used to shoot a lot of foxes for the pelts back in the 70's when they were $30-$40 each to the tanneries ... used a .17 remington...  a lot different from the HMR (i know that now cos you corrected me Kij!)   

but any .17 ... from his testing cleaning over tens of thousands of rounds... after every 20 shots ... religiously .. you can take it to 25 also... but he was needing to hit foxes between the eyes every time... usually night time and spotlighting ... 50 yards or so out to 250 yards or so... when freshly cleaned his Remington BDL would put 5 shots in 1" circle at 150 yards.... 20 shots later that would be out to 2.5" .. unacceptable for pelt damage .. 25 shots and it would be out to a bit over 3" ... which with a bit of wind is a clean miss... a lost fox/$40?

hoppes copper solvent i think was preferred?

Nice military style assault rifle illegal in some states (or must be registered).

Why? It has a thumb hole grip. To some, that one thing makes it an assault rifle. Thanks to idiots that make laws but don't know guns (oh, CA, CO, CT, MD, NJ, NY to name a few states)

A bolt action ..... Assault rifle?! .... Maybe in the hands of 'The Flash' ??!! ....

Geez.....  "stupid is as stupid does" .... Have to wonder not what the law makers thing... But if they think at all?!