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What Gear Is Needed and Is ATGATT Really Necessary?

Started by 2y4life, July 07, 2014, 09:19:52 AM

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cbrfxr67

"Its something you take apart in 2-3 days and takes 10 years to go back together."
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DoktoroKiu

Quote from: JAS6377 on July 07, 2014, 06:42:16 PM


Quote from: DoktoroKiu on July 07, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
Also, I wouldn't want to see what kind of wreck it would take to eat through my mesh jacket.

No more than 30 mph, left shoulder and back:

I was wearing jeans and now have no nerve endings on a quarter-sized patch on my left knee. I now have a leather jacket, and am in the market for riding pants, once my budget permits.

Wow.  Did it get through to your shoulder, or did you have the armor in?  Was that a puncture or abrasion?  I am planning on getting some perforated leather gear after a year or two, but for now mesh is significantly better than nothing.  Too bad the Radar jacket by Joe Rocket doesn't come small enough for me; I really like the idea of a hybrid leather-mesh jacket.
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ace50

When I know we are going to be riding hard (on our sportier bikes) and it's not too warm out, I wear my Bohn Armor under my Kevlar lined jeans.
Kevlar prevents road rash but no protection. Bohn Armor has protection but no road rash protection where there is no pads.

bombsquad83

#23
Quote from: DoktoroKiu on July 08, 2014, 08:25:08 AM
Too bad the Radar jacket by Joe Rocket doesn't come small enough for me; I really like the idea of a hybrid leather-mesh jacket.

I love my Radar Dark jacket.   I haven't been down in it to test the protection, but there is plenty of leather in the right places.   The question is, will that leather stay in the right place during the crash.  I hope to never find out myself!

I wear jeans when riding to work, but I wear these underneath the jeans. 

I have also worn khakis, and in that case, I wear them over the top of my pants.

I always wear my jacket, TPX X-Move boots, Alpinestars GP Plus gloves, and my HJC CL-16 helmet.  I have a pair of Drayko Drifter jeans that I wear if I'm going for a ride and not to work.

I also added this to my gear this year, and I wear it all the time.  It doesn't reduce airflow in any appreciable way, and I really notice the difference of cagers noticing me.  This can be the difference between life or death, so why wouldn't I wear it all the time?



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DoktoroKiu

#25
Quote from: bombsquad83 on July 08, 2014, 09:12:27 AM
Quote from: DoktoroKiu on July 08, 2014, 08:25:08 AM
Too bad the Radar jacket by Joe Rocket doesn't come small enough for me; I really like the idea of a hybrid leather-mesh jacket.

I love my Radar Dark jacket.   I haven't been down in it to test the protection, but there is plenty of leather in the right places.   The question is, will that leather stay in the right place during the crash.  I hope to never find out myself!

I personally love the gunmetal version, but their sizing is odd in that they don't have what would qualify as a men's small...  Is it just me who finds it sad that they have over a 3XL size in most gear but lack a standard men's small size?  I will intentionally not buy from Joe Rocket because of this.  I figured online shopping would guarantee I can find my size in anything I wanted, but I was wrong.  Most places just don't have smalls in stock, but to not even make them...?  >:(

I know many would love to complain about not finding clothes small enough to fit, but it's annoying as hell when you find something you love and they don't make it in your size.  I'm sure I could do some 'roids to get the chest size up and increase my beer intake to up my waist size, but I really shouldn't have to do that when I fit a standard adult men's size just fine (plus I'm what they call a hardgainer).

Sorry, back to the subject at hand.  I suppose it somewhat relates to having properly fit gear to increase protection...
"It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live" - Marcus Aurelius

bombsquad83

I have long and skinny arms, so it's difficult for me sometimes too.  I had to go with a 44 to get the right arm length, but my chest is really more like a 42.  It turned out ok though, because I can wear a thin Columbia fleece underneath the jacket in cooler weather and it's not crazy tight.  It's just a little loose without the jacket or lining underneath, but not so much that it seems dangerous or looks floppy.



cbrfxr67

"Its something you take apart in 2-3 days and takes 10 years to go back together."
-buddha

Suzuki Stevo

Quote from: cWj on July 08, 2014, 11:41:35 AM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on July 07, 2014, 01:26:40 PM
I will be wearing a T shirt and cutoffs,



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AnonRider

I wear all my gear ALL THE TIME. I even made my own kevlar lined jeans with extra padding in em because i hate all the riding pants out there now but wasn't willing to ride without bottom protection.

GS4me

Quote from: AnonRider on July 08, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
I wear all my gear ALL THE TIME. I even made my own kevlar lined jeans with extra padding in em because i hate all the riding pants out there now but wasn't willing to ride without bottom protection.

I've always considered trying that.  As the years go by, I really like the look of Jeans, (with all of my various "top gear".  They look good when I wear the jackets, they look good when I wear just the vest etc.

As mentioned a few posts up, lately I've been wearing my un-padded Fieldsheer and Joe Rocket Ballistic Pants UNDER my jeans.

Was installing a liner into jeans difficult to do?  Is the material easy / cost effective to get?  Just curious....

AnonRider

Quote from: GS4me on July 08, 2014, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: AnonRider on July 08, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
I wear all my gear ALL THE TIME. I even made my own kevlar lined jeans with extra padding in em because i hate all the riding pants out there now but wasn't willing to ride without bottom protection.

I've always considered trying that.  As the years go by, I really like the look of Jeans, (with all of my various "top gear".  They look good when I wear the jackets, they look good when I wear just the vest etc.

As mentioned a few posts up, lately I've been wearing my un-padded Fieldsheer and Joe Rocket Ballistic Pants UNDER my jeans.

Was installing a liner into jeans difficult to do?  Is the material easy / cost effective to get?  Just curious....

for 60 dollars shipped I got more kevlar than i will ever use! lol! 5 dollars for 1500 yards of nylon thread, 40 dollars on assorted padding for the knees and butt. You could also use 600 or 1080 denier ballistic cordura which is a bit cheaper but not as breathable.

You need to know a thing or two about using a sewing machine/sewing as well.......... my first attempt on cheap jeans came out terrible (sewed the back pockets shut on accident) You HAVE to use a machine in order to get nice tight stitching that won't come undone. I'm very happy with the results. I don't look like a dweeb in baggy pants or like i'm about to head out to a race........... on the gs500......

JAS6377

#34
Quote from: DoktoroKiu on July 08, 2014, 08:25:08 AM
Quote from: JAS6377 on July 07, 2014, 06:42:16 PM


Quote from: DoktoroKiu on July 07, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
Also, I wouldn't want to see what kind of wreck it would take to eat through my mesh jacket.

No more than 30 mph, left shoulder and back:

I was wearing jeans and now have no nerve endings on a quarter-sized patch on my left knee. I now have a leather jacket, and am in the market for riding pants, once my budget permits.

Wow.  Did it get through to your shoulder, or did you have the armor in?  Was that a puncture or abrasion?  I am planning on getting some perforated leather gear after a year or two, but for now mesh is significantly better than nothing.  Too bad the Radar jacket by Joe Rocket doesn't come small enough for me; I really like the idea of a hybrid leather-mesh jacket.

Sorry for the late reply. This thread really took off lol.

That was from abrasion with the pads in, and it didn't get past them. I dunno how I did it, but when I felt the bike slip, I pushed off of the pegs. I went thataway down the road through gravel, and the bike went the other (into some poor lady's mailbox...). I had no damage to my shoulder thanks to the padding. I had slight rash on my lower left back, and my left knee, due to just jeans, now has a distinct lack of nerve endings (as stated above). I was able to put my broken left mirror in my backpack and ride home.

I kept that jacket as an extra, and as a memento of why you should know your limits and wear gear. I shudder to think of what damage I would have had without the gear.
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DoktoroKiu

Quote from: JAS6377 on July 08, 2014, 06:36:23 PM

Sorry for the late reply. This thread really took off lol.

That was from abrasion with the pads in, and it didn't get past them. I dunno how I did it, but when I felt the bike slip, I pushed off of the pegs. I went thataway down the road through gravel, and the bike went the other (into some poor lady's mailbox...). I had no damage to my shoulder thanks to the padding. I had slight rash on my lower left back, and my left knee, due to just jeans, now has a distinct lack of nerve endings (as stated above). I was able to put my broken left mirror in my backpack and ride home.

I kept that jacket as an extra, and as a memento of why you should know your limits and wear gear. I shudder to think of what damage I would have had without the gear.

Ouch, gravel would be way worse than pavement - lots of sharp edges.  I bet you'd probably still be picking rocks out of your shoulder if you didn't have a jacket on.
"It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live" - Marcus Aurelius

GS4me

Quote from: AnonRider on July 08, 2014, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: GS4me on July 08, 2014, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: AnonRider on July 08, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
I wear all my gear ALL THE TIME. I even made my own kevlar lined jeans with extra padding in em because i hate all the riding pants out there now but wasn't willing to ride without bottom protection.

I've always considered trying that.  As the years go by, I really like the look of Jeans, (with all of my various "top gear".  They look good when I wear the jackets, they look good when I wear just the vest etc.

As mentioned a few posts up, lately I've been wearing my un-padded Fieldsheer and Joe Rocket Ballistic Pants UNDER my jeans.

Was installing a liner into jeans difficult to do?  Is the material easy / cost effective to get?  Just curious....

for 60 dollars shipped I got more kevlar than i will ever use! lol! 5 dollars for 1500 yards of nylon thread, 40 dollars on assorted padding for the knees and butt. You could also use 600 or 1080 denier ballistic cordura which is a bit cheaper but not as breathable.

You need to know a thing or two about using a sewing machine/sewing as well.......... my first attempt on cheap jeans came out terrible (sewed the back pockets shut on accident) You HAVE to use a machine in order to get nice tight stitching that won't come undone. I'm very happy with the results. I don't look like a dweeb in baggy pants or like i'm about to head out to a race........... on the gs500......

Good to know.  I have a sewing machine here.  I've done a little bit of leather / vinyl car interior work but my mother-in-law sews pretty well ..  I'd most likely see if she would be up to the task..

gsJack

My bride of 62+ years has 3 sewing machines and her Bernina will sew leather but she is generally reluctant to stop quilting long enough to fix or fab MC gear.  She doesn't ride and I don't quilt, works for us.   :thumb:
407,400 miles in 30 years for 13,580 miles/year average.  Started riding 7/21/84 and hung up helmet 8/31/14.

AnonRider

forgot to mention you also need proper cutting sheers as material meant for abrasion resistance WILL NOT CUT with regular scissors. You'll wear out your scissors before you wear out the kevlar. 

DoktoroKiu

Quote from: AnonRider on July 09, 2014, 01:54:53 PM
forgot to mention you also need proper cutting sheers as material meant for abrasion resistance WILL NOT CUT with regular scissors. You'll wear out your scissors before you wear out the kevlar.

Maybe the next time you make a pair you could document the process/techniques you use and post a tutorial somewhere.  Sounds like you learned a lot through trial by fire and could save others some time and money (and earn their eternal gratitude :D )
"It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live" - Marcus Aurelius

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